They are a year or 2 away, although Farmar is scary good as well as Bynum. I'm starting to think that the UCLA guys are about as good as it gets for ready-mix NBA players, just add contract. They're kinda like Lloyd Carr's wolverines, OK in college, boring system, put it was a pro-style system where guys were ready for the NFL immediately, as oppossed to Spurriers gimmicks in Florida back in the day.