Well it you recall all I said was the five worst moves during Joe's tenure...yeah it some might say it was Joe, but really if i try to clean it now, it's the five worst/moves/incidents/things to happen to the Pistons organization during Joe's tenure or in the last four years.....does that clean this up?....or can somebody add some others? Some can be blamed on the owner, the GM, the coach, a player or two or the NBA it self...or even a infamous brawl and you can probably go down the the list of all teams and find their five incidents that prevented them from winning or challenging, but as ggazoo said we can start that thread if and when we are eliminated.....