Lee, I did point out that the second team should have stayed in in the second quarter. I guess that is another way of saying the starters did not perform well. This has happened before. I think Flip thinks he needs to put them back on the mark instead of looking at the flow of the game. I don't blame Arroyo for the lose at all and feel that Davis could have helped us win this game since our bigs were getting worked over on the back to back. But we got off on the wrong foot with Billips going out early. The team looked off kilter for awhile when Arroyo entered in the first quarter. This loss only bothers me to the extent that we are giving back our edge over the Spurs and that the back to back story of tired starters is not new.