Hatter - If we lose in the 2nd round there will be a lot of changes.

That is if. So far there is nothing to convince me that this is not a typical Piston playoff series.

In 04 ist round - 5 games, 2nd - 7 , 3rd - 6, Finals - 5
05 - 1st round - 5 games, 2nd - 6 , 3rd - 7, Finals - 7

So far the Pistons have never been able to beat a team with more than 47 wins in less than 6. Remove all the smoke and mirrors and its just the same Cardiac Kidds always needing a cause and reason to get inspired. Nothing has changed.

Guys, we are all disgusted and depressed by what we "witnessed" tonight. Rightfully so. The play from both teams was lousy and Flips coaching was crap. The refs weren't great either.

But come on. This talk about breaking up the team because the series is tied 2-2 is way off. We'll all feel better when the Pistons kick butt at the Palace. It's a must win game and Detroit WILL win.

OK but forget about winning any 'ships for a while if Maxiell, Amir and Delfino are given extensive playing time. Joe D would most likely make minor adjustments if the Stones don't win it all this season. I just can't see any reason to get rid of the top six so I echo your thoughts.

Whatever you say, Sheed.

Well, I didn't say you gotta play these guys 40 minutes. Just get them involved. Give them an opportunity to see if any of them can suprise us. You never know what could happen. Max could break out as an impact player. Delfino could, etc. Getting the youth involved may give this team an energy spark and would definately help keep the starters fresh over the long haul. To me, the starters have been looking tired late in games since toward the middle-end of the regular season. They just don't have any hop in their step.

LMAO Gazoo.

You can take it to the bank. Print it on Pf.com, on the Detroit News board, or anywhere you please. I absolutely guarantee a Pistons victory in game 5 at the Palace AND guarantee the Pistons will win the series.

what tha F*&&%$ck was that??????
Flip.....how fuggin stupid are you.......we're the big dogs and you let a rookie force your hand...........Seeing Mo Evans wasn't even the issue....seeing us adjust to them was HUGE!!!!!!! Y'all I'm worried because Pat Riley will kick tha living ISHT out of Flip if Flip doesn't get his head out of his %%%%%.......we got outcoached badly this game. Flip is in an unfamiliar place right now and it's showing. We have lost every 4th qtr of this series....we have yet to execute down the stretch and get high percentage shots. LB's plays got us to the ft line, made us move the ball until it yielded dunks & layups late in games or after a timeout....flip diagrams plays that get us Iso's and open 20ft j's Oh My Lord........Help us please.

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I was sick to my stomach after the game ended. But now that I have had a little time to reflect on it, I'm not worried. We should have pulled out both games in Cleveland... and it would have been a sweep. We only had 1 point in the 4th quarter until the 5:40 mark. When is that going to happen again?

We played great defense the last 2 games and just didn't score enough points. And Mo Evans did a good job. Chauncey was missing. Tay was not knocking down his jumper. Sheed didn't do sheet. Ben had a mediocre game. Dyess had ZERO points. Lindsay couldn't hit. And we still could have won!

Didn't see the game, but we are now in a best-of-three situation with two games in the Palace. I'm not worried.

We all knew these Pistons have a propensity to play to the level of their competition. This is what they do. I still think we win it all.