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Old 05-16-2006, 11:09 AM
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Re: Round 2 Game 4 - 7pm Mon May 15 Det at Clev

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I think Tay needs to guard LeBron one-on-one and the Pistons can't let the others guy beat them because that's what's happening now and Flip hasn't adjusted to it. I'm fairly certain Tay can hold the King to under 40 points. This is why Sideshow Bob has suddenly looked like a star. LeBron's supporting cast isn't that good. They're so wide open because of this Prevent LeBron Defense. It worked fine the first two games but now it's time to try something else. Ol' Flipper has been slow to adjust.
you make a good point, and i said it to my friend last night. why not guard lebron 1 on 1 with tay/rip, who have been doing pretty well, and just staying with our man-to-man that has always worked for this team.

the only problem with that theory is that we've held the cavs to pretty low point totals and the defense has worked when looking at the numbers. bleh. who knows.
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Re: Round 2 Game 4 - 7pm Mon May 15 Det at Clev

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They're so wide open because of this Prevent LeBron Defense. It worked fine the first two games but now it's time to try something else. Ol' Flipper has been slow to adjust.
I don't think defense is the problem. The Pistons lost because of their inability to score 75 freakin' points! That's less than 19 freakin' points a quarter.

Don't get me started. I still have a bad taste in my mouth from last nights loss. Detroit wins the series, but nobody needed this.
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Re: Round 2 Game 4 - 7pm Mon May 15 Det at Clev

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Snow draws a flagrant 1 and the ball on Mo and he hits 1-2 and the Pistons fail to cash in when they take the ball out of bounds. I think that was a key as a make there and a score give us the 72-70 lead. Rip scored later and maybe the next play would have been called differently.

Snow knew what to do. Why is it that we cannot do the same to James or veraejo? to show them who is boss?


That three by La bron to end the half turned out to be the difference in the game and now it is being questioned that the refs gave him a break as he actually stepped out of bounds
SAW another camera angle on NBATV and he was in bounds...sorry 2 say!
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Re: Round 2 Game 4 - 7pm Mon May 15 Det at Clev

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I'm not ready to break the team up; win, lose, or draw. However losing the series to the Cavs could spark some discussion. We've got a weak bench, and those chickens are coming home to roost. Who would we insert if Rip has foul trouble? Or Prince gets tired (cause lawd knows HE ain't gettin in foul trouble)?

Mo was a good buy for the money, Delk was the best move at the time, and Delfino's shot is broke. None of them is an "impact player" off the bench; and Joe knows we need that. The six starters have carried us all season. Time for the bench to step up and produce. It's money time!
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Re: Round 2 Game 4 - 7pm Mon May 15 Det at Clev

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what tha F*&&%$ck was that??????
Flip.....how fuggin stupid are you.......we're the big dogs and you let a rookie force your hand...........Seeing Mo Evans wasn't even the issue....seeing us adjust to them was HUGE!!!!!!! Y'all I'm worried because Pat Riley will kick tha living ISHT out of Flip if Flip doesn't get his head out of his %%%%%.......we got outcoached badly this game. Flip is in an unfamiliar place right now and it's showing. We have lost every 4th qtr of this series....we have yet to execute down the stretch and get high percentage shots. LB's plays got us to the ft line, made us move the ball until it yielded dunks & layups late in games or after a timeout....flip diagrams plays that get us Iso's and open 20ft j's Oh My Lord........Help us please.
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Re: Round 2 Game 4 - 7pm Mon May 15 Det at Clev

While Flip can be questioned about his game strategy, play calling and rotations I wouldn't pass the entire blame on him. This is a seasoned group of veterans who should know better than to take low % shots. Why wasn't CB driving to the basket and picking up foul calls? The team attempted 15 3's when they clearly did not have the shooting touch. The players have to apply some common sense too and they had plenty of chances to win both games as bad as they played.

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Re: Round 2 Game 4 - 7pm Mon May 15 Det at Clev

The Pistons lost because they are settling for jumpshots. It's been a long time coming too. Jumpshots look great at the beginning of the season when the D is a lax and legs are fresh. In the playoffs, the D is much better and the legs are worn down from the 82 game grind. A jumpshot-only offense is always going to be a streaky one. It's not going to be consistant like a team like the Spurs that constantly attack in the post and off the dribble.

Say what you will about LB's offense, but it worked better down the stretch of games. You can see these 4th quarter collapses coming from a mile away because Flip seems incapable of calling a set play, and Chauncey is incappable of playing "not to lose". The good old dribble, dribble, dribble, hoist offense that involves 1 pass if you're lucky.

Also, could you possibly imagine Ben scoring 29 points or 21 points in a game like he did in the last post season? No, Flip won't even go inside if it's available. He doesn't even make it a viable threat, so bad defensive teams can load up on the perimeter and shut down our shooters.

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Re: Round 2 Game 4 - 7pm Mon May 15 Det at Clev

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we are getting dogged on the national news too...Sheed looks like a sissyI'm looking at our defensive stats and I still cant see how we lost vs Cavs defense? James ,,,8-23 FG...5-10 FT...8 turnovers!!!!!!!I aint sleeping well tonight cuz I dont get Chauncey sometimes and they got Ben nothing. I really feel like he'll be leaving rather than play for Flip. ...sigh! sad boy...need cowbell...............we gettin dogged on National news too!
I have the same feeling too, bro. Somehow, it seems to me that Ben does not like the way Flip coaches. His new agent might be telling Joe D that Ben will play for free in Detroit as long as Flip's not the coach.
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word, Bro. Really like the idea.
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Re: Round 2 Game 4 - 7pm Mon May 15 Det at Clev

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Why we think we need to slow the game down is beyond me. We have the athletes. Are we THAT worried about Le Bron in the open floor? And I am not buying that Cleveland is a very good team. I hope this was all a mirage. Otherwise, they are into our offensive game and we lost with our own grind.
I think Merc mentioned in the game chat that the COLA disciple Mike Brown has his guys playing a lot like a COLA team. We know how to beat that. Run'n Gun. That's why Ranger Rick plays his system. Because with inferior talent, you can keep it close enough to have a chance to win.

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Mo Evans is playing well by every measure.

On the other hand, Lindsay is sucking. ... There is no hiding it, he is hurting the team right now.
Yeah. I think people are more mad to see Mo than Dice than really mad at Mo himself. It's a carry over from the season, although you would be surprised how many people call up to the WDFN postgame show crying about Delfino. I emailed the host about it, and I could tell especially last night that he was just tired of hearing it.

Lindsey needs to be replaced after this season. We need to get a burner like Devin Harris or a young Tony Parker type guard. Someone who can penetrate.

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I think Tay needs to guard LeBron one-on-one and the Pistons can't let the others guy beat them because that's what's happening now and Flip hasn't adjusted to it. I'm fairly certain Tay can hold the King to under 40 points. This is why Sideshow Bob has suddenly looked like a star. LeBron's supporting cast isn't that good. They're so wide open because of this Prevent LeBron Defense. It worked fine the first two games but now it's time to try something else. Ol' Flipper has been slow to adjust.
This goes against everything the Pistons did sucessfully the last 2 years. We never would double a star before. You gave him 35, held his teammates to a combined 40 and won the game. I want to believe in Flip, but he's looking really overmatched when we don't score. When we encounter adversity.

The most disturbing trend is a lack of energy from the bench. They've provided nothing since Game 1.

Last 3 games, averaging 7.3 points and 7 rebounds.

Game 2 ~ 6 + 5
Game 3 ~ 9 + 9
Game 4 ~ 7 + 7
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