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ggazoo69 · #**101** (**permalink**) 05-18-2006, 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LanierFan

After losses like this (these), everyone unpacks the pet complaint they've been nursing for months and eagerly airs it out as the cause of all the hurt.

Sorry, no. It's not Darko. Not Arroyo. Not the refs, or Delfino and the bench, or some issue of disrespect. Or even Flip.

This team has become a polite version of the 2004 Lakers. Arrogant, complacent, feeling entitled to things it shouldn't have to work for. And pitifully unable to cope when an opponent dares to hit back.

It's been a long time coming. Way before Flip came here, fans had noted the barking at refs, the over-reliance on stealing games at the end, the spotty internal motivation when they had a team down. But it all crystallized for me at the end of Game 5 ... when Prince served up that weak runner that got spiked like a volleyball, and Hamilton decided he'd rather try to engineer a foul than get off a shot.

Weak. Very weak.

Maybe the team proves me wrong and shows there's enough in the tank to turn this thing around. Maybe they just need to feel that cold wall pressing against their backs again, after living it up as NBA fatcats.

But we're starting to see diminishing returns here, and you can only get yourself out of trouble so many times before the bill comes due. Now it seems like a bunch of bills are coming due at once, and I find myself wondering what Joe is thinking.

We know Joe's history when guys can't get it done in the playoffs - Stack gone, Cliffy gone. What's ahead when the starters on a 64-win team can't get it done? Blame Flip all you want, but these guys think they win regardless of coaching and have said as much on many occasions. That's an attitude they've been allowed to have, so I'm not leading any Flip lynch mobs ... just wondering where that Detroit team I used to like so much has gone off to. Because I don't like these guys very much, even when they win.

Sensible post here. Who are these guys with "Pistons" emblazoned across their chests? Damn, I wish I could sleep.

LanierFan · #**102** (**permalink**) 05-18-2006, 05:08 AM

Would I like to see Flip peel the hide off some guys? Sure. But like I said, this franchise enabled the players to feel this way. Joe hired Flip as the right guy for these guys, at this point and time. Maybe he is, I don't know. But I look at the guys on this team and see at least a few who probably have to fail before they listen to anybody.

ahb, if we're going to speculate that Flip is the only difference between last year's gutty performers and this year's bunch, don't we also have to remember the difference between last year and the year before? A championship. That's what worries me, the diminishing returns. This team hasn't handled success as well as it handled being the underdog.

TheeTFD · #**103** (**permalink**) 05-18-2006, 06:08 AM

BBj, I thought Buckets was to solidify our bench.
And our tight 6 were enpenetrable.
If we don't get by the Cavs either Flip or BBen goes.

TWOTIMESRALPHI · #**104** (**permalink**) 05-18-2006, 06:46 AM

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This team has become a polite version of the 2004 Lakers. Arrogant, complacent, feeling entitled to things it shouldn't have to work for. And pitifully unable to cope when an opponent dares to hit back.

You're so damn right. It makes me sad that the team that's currently giving us so many fits is even more gentle, more sympathique than the Pistons.
I miss the "team is the MVP", the "going to work"- attitude that all of us love(d)- I hated it, when they had their off- games in the season and talking that fatigue- bull%%%% as an excuse for not hustle, for not giving effort. I always said to myself, ok, wait til' playofftime and now this.
Let's hope some of them find their heart again- it can't be that Dyess and maybe Prince are the only ones to show will to win it.

roscoe36 · #**105** (**permalink**) 05-18-2006, 09:06 AM

I do not understand the players saying that all of a sudden they cannot make shots. 3 games not being able to make shots?

Kudos to Dice for showing up, but where was he in the 3 games previous? Hunter, Delk, Evans, Davis all unused in a game that could have been stolen by pulling out all the stops.

Feeling numb today.

anakin · #**106** (**permalink**) 05-18-2006, 09:11 AM

Flip's coaching certainly leaves a lot to be desired but I don't think that's why they are in the hole. When Flipper came aboard this team was playoff tested and had the 1 ship under their belt and very strongly felt they let the 2nd one get away. In short, they were arrogant and felt a sense of entitlement. Flip being an easy guy fell under the illusion that this team can turn it on/off anytime. A large part of it was their past record and Flip getting internal confirmation that this was a loose bunch of guys. He and most of the fan base felt the Pistons can do no wrong. Fast forward 3 losses in row and it is clear that he needs to coach this team and not let them walk their path.

They disrespected the Cavs after game 3 and Sheed continues to do so. This attitude has now come back and bit them hard. The confidence is gone and it clearly shows in the play. Props to the Cavs for taking advantage of the situation. They did what they had to do.

Going into game 6, I hope the team is humbled sufficiently enough to awaken their competitive instincts and desire to win. No promises, just go out and perform. I am getting tired of Sheed's antics.

roscoe36 · #**107** (**permalink**) 05-18-2006, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LanierFan

After losses like this (these), everyone unpacks the pet complaint they've been nursing for months and eagerly airs it out as the cause of all the hurt.

Sorry, no. It's not Darko. Not Arroyo. Not the refs, or Delfino and the bench, or some issue of disrespect. Or even Flip.

This team has become a polite version of the 2004 Lakers. Arrogant, complacent, feeling entitled to things it shouldn't have to work for. And pitifully unable to cope when an opponent dares to hit back.

It's been a long time coming. Way before Flip came here, fans had noted the barking at refs, the over-reliance on stealing games at the end, the spotty internal motivation when they had a team down. But it all crystallized for me at the end of Game 5 ... when Prince served up that weak runner that got spiked like a volleyball, and Hamilton decided he'd rather try to engineer a foul than get off a shot.

Weak. Very weak.

Maybe the team proves me wrong and shows there's enough in the tank to turn this thing around. Maybe they just need to feel that cold wall pressing against their backs again, after living it up as NBA fatcats.

But we're starting to see diminishing returns here, and you can only get yourself out of trouble so many times before the bill comes due. Now it seems like a bunch of bills are coming due at once, and I find myself wondering what Joe is thinking.

We know Joe's history when guys can't get it done in the playoffs - Stack gone, Cliffy gone. What's ahead when the starters on a 64-win team can't get it done? Blame Flip all you want, but these guys think they win regardless of coaching and have said as much on many occasions. That's an attitude they've been allowed to have, so I'm not leading any Flip lynch mobs ... just wondering where that Detroit team I used to like so much has gone off to. Because I don't like these guys very much, even when they win.

This was the best post I have read this post-season. Front to back.

KP · #**108** (**permalink**) 05-18-2006, 09:15 AM

Sorry if I'm re-hashing stuff from earlier in the string (didn't read the whole thing.)

The team is talking about confidence and all the right things, but they're playing tight on the offensive end. Which is leading to a lot of one-on-one basketball and a lot of turnovers.

Dyess finally got some confidence in the fourth quarter last night, but he was afraid to shoot in game four. I wish Rip (who was ice cold at this point) would have looked to an open Dyess (who was hot) rather than forcing shots down the stretch.

Why, in the final seconds of a game, do we always try to force something that isn't there? Just toss the ball in the basket.

iamme · #**109** (**permalink**) 05-18-2006, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by themicrowave

Feeling numb today.

me too. i woke up this morning.......slowly opened my eyes......i felt it coming.....the realization that last night wasn't just a bad dream

i still think this team is perfectly capable of reeling off two straight versus the Cavs, so hope isn't lost with me.

but man, what a crappy way to wake up this morning.

roscoe36 · #**110** (**permalink**) 05-18-2006, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by KP

The team is talking about confidence and all the right things, but they're playing tight on the offensive end. Which is leading to a lot of one-on-one basketball and a lot of turnovers.

Flip is tightening up as well. As the game gets tight, as the players are tight, he doesn't sub or call timeouts. He doesn't break the game down into manageable chunks to stall momentum shifts, or sub out a struggling player so they can regain their composure.

That is the ONE key flaw I am seeing from Flip. Per previous posts, 95% of this is on the players. I don't want Sheed to shut up (get tight), I want him to back up his big mouth. YAP and BANG THAT TRAMP!

Mr. Big Shot (in my mind) has been a lot more annoying. He plays bad and the best he can come up with is, "I'll be ready for Friday". So he wasn't ready the last 3 games? C'mon Chauncey, Damon Jones and Eric Snow are making you look like Pepe Sanchez for the love of Dele.

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