Originally Posted by KGREG

NOPE!!! Max needs to start. Not Davis, not Dyess, MAXIEL!!!!! There's 2 things that Clev likes to do early, (1) Go to Z in the post and (2)Run Pick and Roll. Webber being in our startting lineup allows them to do both of these things with success. He can't defend Z in the post, he just flat out can't do it. Secondly it's almost comical how they purposefully put Webb into P&R's knowing that he can't hedge & recover, he can't trap & recover and he can't switch. Give Mike Brown credit, he saw that Lebron was struggling with Max and Sheeds defense in the P&R, so he know runs it exclusively at Webber. The only problem with Max starting is he could possibly get switched out on Z and get toasted.

Originally Posted by The Low

Well at least Mr. Webber isn't making me out to be a liar:

Originally posted: 01-09-2007, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by dba

Marv is also a guy who specializes in calling the play wrong, then saying "oh now they've changed to call to..." implying that the refs changed their minds when in reality he just lost track because he was looking around the first couple of rows for someone to bite.

Originally Posted by Play On, Players

I don't know much about the majority of the things you listed HQ, but I do know that that doesn't make me any less of a fan. I don't want to start a fight or anything but I fail to see how any of the things you listed have relevance to being a fan now. No, I don't know where I was when Detroit defeated Denver, 186-184 (but from that score, I'd say I don't think there was much defense going on!) but I do know where I was the night Detroit fell to Cleveland, 87-91. I was in my room, sitting in a chair about 4 inches from the TV, clapping, wincing, gasping, and cussing. Being a fan means different things to different people. To some of us, it means remembering plays, scores, draft picks and various other bits of information from yesteryears. To others, being a fan is about having confidence in your team even when others point out it's faults. It's about encouraging others to keep the faith when things look bad. It's about sticking up for players you've never even met because you don't like to hear negative comments after a disappointing loss.

On a different note, does anybody know what Detroit's record is in games following losses in which Rasheed Wallace is thoroughly pissed? I hope it's a winning one!

Originally Posted by basketbills

Great post HQ. The whole post. I give ther Cavs credit. This is a dogfight. It was painful to watch but the Cavs earned it.Webber has never been the same since Chauncey made those comments about how he was uncomfortable with the ball in Webber's hands so much...it was like turning off a light switch.

Originally Posted by explosivity

Its funny that you mentioned that game. First thing that you have to realize old skool is that i'm only 29 years of age. So for me to watch that game and truly understand everything that is going on would have been a marvel. Second I have seen that game on espn classic many times, and I belive it went 3 overtimes and Zeke had something like 45 pts and 15 assists(could be wrong about the assists). I have been a die-hard Piston fan since 1986 when I started to really get into basketball and have had the amazing opportunity to see us win big games and lose them also. I have seen us win titles and lose them also. Like you I have had sleeplessness nights pondering how we could won some of those games and days of euphoria after we were victorious. I am not questioning your loyalty old skool, but the series is only tied and just because we lost last night doesnt mean that the basketball world as we know it is gonna end. You have to support your team no matter what, its what "true" fans do.

Originally Posted by OLD SKOOL HQ

Thanks Bill...Im glad "someone' got the jest of it.

Originally Posted by OLD SKOOL HQ

This is my point. I was saying that there are all types and levels of Piston fans here. But they are alll fans. Ex was saying if you get upset then arent 'a fan". All I was saying its a lot , A LOT of us that have seen a LOT of games, good and bad, and that if we want to holler ...fine...if not...fine.

Originally Posted by max

If you lived through the Teal years then you are a super fan in my book.