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Old 12-13-2006, 07:20 PM
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Re: Plus/Minus and its relevance

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Originally Posted by TaShawn View Post
All you guys do is rip on Darko when I make any point. I'm not saying he's great, I'm just trying to have you look a little deeper into the #s. The standard stats out there only give you a fraction of what is going on in a basketball game.

Baseball was revolutionized when people realized that the standard measurements were distorting the picture. The smart teams started picking up the hidden gems on the cheap.

You can't look at a statistic in isolation. You don't want a guy who scores 50 points a game if he has a 25% FG%. You may not pay as much for a 15 rebounds per game guy if he's stealing your own players rebounds. It goes on and on. You can cut an slice the date in a million ways.

I think that it is significant that when Dale Davis is in the game, the Pistons give up 14 fewer points per 100 possessions and only score 2 less on offense. To me, that suggests that Nazr might be expendable and probably should not start for this team.

Also, despite all Delfino's beautiful form, etc., he is about the least effective player besides Hunter. In other words, his intangibles don't seem to be making up for his lack of tangibles.

It is only because of the exadurated ripping that I feel the need to defend guys like Darko, Kwame Brown, etc., who actually show positive stats in team-related areas. This doesn't mean I think they're going to the Hall of Fame or whatever. If everyone said that Maurice Evans is a joke, I'll probably have to defend him too.
I feel what your saying Tashawn. My only problem is that what you are saying does not support what I see on the court. More often than not my responses reflect a frustration that I am trying to relate. I have a problem with giving accolades to a player who has underachived compared to many other players in the league. Being a fantasy basketball enthusiast for the past 6-7 years, and being a loyal subscriber of NBA League Pass I have had the luxury of viewing alot of talent in the NBA. I've seen so many young players have amazing games that capture my imagination leaving me to wonder what they will mature into. This is why the emphasis on using this statistical analysis to back up an underachieving player in my eyes, bothers me. Biedrins has been ripping the league up this year. His stats and contributions to the game have been off the charts, yet Darko gets the love when we talk about potential. It erks me. He's done nothing to deserve this praise, so I discredit any attempt to justify his inability to perform statistically. I am a results person and I hate the constant excuses. I just wish Darko's game spoke as valiantly as his supporters.

I've given you constant praise for your analysis and ideas. Out of all of the DHOF members, you and lazy appear to be the most openminded. I do appreciate your efforts and I apologize if I've done anything to discourage your research and opinions.

I gotta be honest with you though.

The only person capeable of swaying me away from my Darko opinions...is

Darko.

Show me the money.
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