Originally Posted by MotownPride

Arroyo's statline for 14 mins:

Mins - 14 FGM-A 1-6 FTM-A 1-2 PF - 2 PTS - 3

So, you want me to give Arroyo credit for going 14 mins against one of the worst defensive teams in the league and not getting a turnover. If you count all of those bricks he was throwing up that caused a loss of possession I would say that he did have a negative impact.

Rather than addressing all of your questions how bout' we do this.

Red represents negative impacts. Blue represents positive impacts.

Start of the 4th Quarter:

11:44 Carlos missed layup 74-82 Suns (not a good start)
11:42 Ben Wallace Offensive Rebound
11:42 Ben Wallace made two point shot. 76-82 (I guess your calling that an assist?)
11:30 Eddie House missed 20 ft jumper. 76-82
11:10 Carlos Arroyo missed 18 ft jumper. 76-82 (ouch, that's 2 misses)
11:03 Leandro Barbosa made layup. 76-84 (whose man is that, hmm...?)
10:45 Tayshaun Prince made 23 ft jumper. (unassisted) 78-84
10:19 Tayshaun Price missed 12 ft jumper
10:18 Ben Wallace Offensive Rebound
10:18 Ben Wallace made two point shot. 80-84 (guess your calling that Arroyo setting up the play as well)
10:08 Leandro Barbosa's layup blocked by Ben Wallace (way to bail someone out Ben, whose his man again?)

Okay so then Carlos has some good moments...

10:03 Brian Grant Shooting Foul on Carlos Arroyo (at least it doesn't count as another miss)
10:03 Carlos Arroyo missed Free Throw 1 of 2. 80-84 (Dohhhh!!!)
10:03 Carlos Arroyo made Free Throw 2 of 2. 81-84 (Go Carlos, it's ya birthday)
9:52 Boris Diaw made layup. 81-86
9:52 Boris Diaw made free throw 1 of 1. 81-87
9:37 Carlos Arroyo made 19ft jumper. 83-87 (Carlos makes wide open shot, that a boy Los!!!!)

But then things go south again....

9:15 James Jones made 15 ft two point shot. 81-87. (whose guy is that, hmmm...)
9:15 Arroyo fouls James Jones. (ouch!)
9:15 James Jones made Free Throw 1 of 1. 83-90
8:57 Richard Hamilton makes Technical Free throw on Illegal defense call. 84-90
8:47 Tayshaun Prince made 25ft three point jumper. Assisted by Antonio McDyess. (hmm...no touches by Los). 87-90
7:58 Carlos Arroyo missed layup. 87-90 (Another clang)
7:45 Leandro Barbosa made driving layup. 87-92.
7:45 Chauncey Billups enters the game for Carlos Arroyo. 87-92.

So basically although Carlos comes into the fourth quarter with the Pistons down 8 and leaves with them down 5, my take of this is that he had more of a negative impact in the game than a positive one. This is not to say that Carlos is not capeable of better, but he really sucked this game. He will not get any props from me for not being able to keep an offensive player in front of him for 17 minutes or blowing lay up after layup or being unable to help convert easy scores against the weakest defense in the league. Chauncey walked away with 11 assists, Carlos couldn't manage 1? That's a dropoff if I've ever seen one.