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roscoe36 · #41 (**permalink**) 12-17-2005, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Woody

Dyce - as good as advertised. Shoots and rebounds.

Arroyo - a clone of Chucky Atkins. He thinks he's better than he is. Only difference from Chucky is Arroyo can't shoot the three, but he can penetrate. Dribbles way too much and doesn't get the offense going until the shot clock is way down.

Delfino - In the wrong league. Would be an all-star in the CBA or NBDL but just a second line player in the NBA. A step slow on D, a little off on his shot, looks to shoot first, run the play second. Just a bit too slow in the head to keep up with the game.

Evans - A wreck waiting to happen. Wants to shoot first, pass last. Tries to drive and then gets stuffed by the bigs. Not much of a team player.

Darko - Looks like a seventh-grader playing with the senior high. A softer version of Zelly! Doesn't (can't?) jump. Absolutely no agressiveness on the boards - defensive or offenseive. In love with the 20ft. jump shot. He's way too slow in the head to keep up with the NBA.
His skill set stops at the shoulders.

Maxiel - Has some skill, but seems a little heavy-footed. Probably can't cover any decent SF. The opposite of Darko in that he loves to attack the boards. Needs more experience.

I don't agree with all of it, but that's a pretty good review Woody, nice job on your second post.

LanierFan · #42 (**permalink**) 12-17-2005, 11:42 AM

Yes, though I have to take exception to the part about Delfino being slow in the head. He actually is one of our wiser ball-handlers on both the break and in half-court sets. Defensively he's a work in progress and he's still a little shy about shooting, but I like how he distributes the ball.

himat · #43 (**permalink**) 12-17-2005, 11:54 AM

evans can do a lot of things for the pistons. after some time he'll learn to pass.

roscoe36 · #44 (**permalink**) 12-17-2005, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by himat

evans can do a lot of things for the pistons. after some time he'll learn to pass.

You know, I was one of the guys who thought Dupree should go, but Minny is using him in limited minutes to guard the best opposing player if Trenton Hassel is in foul trouble or having an off night.

Dupree doesn't have Evans' range, but he could defend better and board just as well.

I am guilty of buying into the hype that Mo was a better defender than he is. And his offensive skill set is very limited to taking the open J (which he nails at a nice clip) or putbacks. He cannot take his man off the dribble (worse than Ben) and in fact has a nasty habit of dribbling himself into trouble.

He kinda reminds me of Darvin Ham circa 2000 when he was in Milwaukee. He's got a great motor and a lot of athleticism, but it's not enough to cover up for a very limited skill set. Coincidentally, they both went to school in Texas.

Hopefully when Lindsey gets back, we can field some kind of pitbull lineup with Arroyo-Hunter-Evans-Dice-Wallace/Wallace. I'm sure Mo will thrive in an up tempo running game where the pace is less deliberate and his athleticism can be showcased.

Darth Tater · #45 (**permalink**) 12-17-2005, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by themicrowave

I don't agree with all of it, but that's a pretty good review Woody, nice job on your second post.

I agree. Nice post. I don't agree with everything either, but I'll tell you this. I cannot believe how bad our bench is. I thought we were going to have a really good bench when the season began. I think our bench is horrible.

That may change with this homestand. I certainly hope so, but I'm losing faith quickly.

Bad boys: Thomas, Dumars, Laimbeer, Mahorn, Aguire

bench: Vinnie, Rodman, Salley, Edwards...omg...need I say more?

Todays bench: uhmmm Dice maybe?

No comparison

Look at San Antonio & their bench. I'm thrilled with the 17 -3 start our great starting 5 brought us. But without a bench in the playoffs...

We need a VINNIE! A Vinnie, Dice, and Hunter may be enough to get by the Spurs (not to mention a couple of teams in the East we need to beat first).

bball jay · #46 (**permalink**) 12-17-2005, 01:12 PM

it seems that both sides of the darko debate are very biased. i think people take darko's laid back personality as being unmotivated and not interested. some people understand it some don't. darko did not play bad. people say he doesn't rebound but he got two offensive rebounds 1 on jmax's miss. yes he concentrates on blocking shots but who says that's a bad thing?? he's really good at it. when jmax jacks up shots it's motivation and drive but when darko shoots he's in love with the 20 footer.

this bull about making the most of minutes makes me angry. the game is already decided all the guys on the floor are doing are padding thier stats. nothing you do on the pistons especially in garbage time will get you more minutes. yes. jmax is working hard in garbage time right now jacking up shots. lets see how hard he works in year 3 or garbage time.

the fact is darko simply had an ok garbage time performance. nothing great nothing too bad.

bball jay · #47 (**permalink**) 12-17-2005, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DarthTater

I agree. Nice post. I don't agree with everything either, but I'll tell you this. I cannot believe how bad our bench is. I thought we were going to have a really good bench when the season began. I think our bench is horrible.

That may change with this homestand. I certainly hope so, but I'm losing faith quickly.

Bad boys: Thomas, Dumars, Laimbeer, Mahorn, Aguire

bench: Vinnie, Rodman, Salley, Edwards...omg...need I say more?

Todays bench: uhmmm Dice maybe?

No comparison

Look at San Antonio & their bench. I'm thrilled with the 17 -3 start our great starting 5 brought us. But without a bench in the playoffs...

We need a VINNIE! A Vinnie, Dice, and Hunter may be enough to get by the Spurs (not to mention a couple of teams in the East we need to beat first).

actually in the playoffs the minutes go down for the bench so it isn't as important. but you underestimate our bench. carlos arroyo is much better than you think the guy can score and pass. mcdyess can carry the bench if need be. lindsey can shut other teams second unit point guards down once chauncey gets the starter in foul trouble. dale davis is a vet that gave our bigs trouble last year. delfino, evans and darko our the wild cards. 1 of them needs to become a solid contributor by the end of the season i'm betting on all three being ready if need be.

our bench is not horrible. they just don't play enough to get thier game going. our bench could play with and beat bottom dweller starting units. give them some time.

roscoe36 · #48 (**permalink**) 12-17-2005, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bball jay

when jmax jacks up shots it's motivation and drive but when darko shoots he's in love with the 20 footer.

I'm tired of this "jacking up shots" crud. He's MAKING them. It's ok to shoot when you hit a nice %. And that is what Jmax does.

Darko is in love with the 20' shot. He's wide open with room to go to the hoop and posterize someone with his sick athleticism. But he doesn't. He'll take a front of rim clanger ala Bruno Sundov.

I don't think our expectations could be any lower for this pick than they are now. All people want to see is that he is trying. That he values every opportunity. This team will win without DMC and I trust Joe to do what it takes to stay competitive in the future. It's Darko blowing his own career, just like Nikoloz Tskitishvili (the bad version of Zaza Pachulia).

KGREG · #49 (**permalink**) 12-17-2005, 01:29 PM

That was impressive. 110 pts and the most shots taken by any1 player was 13 and that was by Tay.....which I never have a problem with.
The team made good use of the 3, inside/out and late in the shot clock while wide open, and 6 players in double figures and winning the boards.........NOW THATS DEEEEEETROIT BAS-KET-BALL!!!!!

I loved the lineup of x2,Arroyo,Delfino, & Rip........GREAT lineup, and this helps in getting Tays mins down.

I wish the bench was more productive and exciting, but realize this the primary responsibiltity of the bench on this team is to log mins and keep the starters mins down, and technically that is happening. What we need is to make sure Tay, Rip, and Ben don't get worn down come playoffs. I think that this bench will help in that. Come playoffs the bench will get cut to 7 or8, with LH, Dyess and Davis logging the major mins with LosDos, and Evans getting spot mins. Now if we keep this group together next season they may become a very potent group.

bball jay · #50 (**permalink**) 12-17-2005, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by themicrowave

I'm tired of this "jacking up shots" crud. He's MAKING them. It's ok to shoot when you hit a nice %. And that is what Jmax does.

Darko is in love with the 20' shot. He's wide open with room to go to the hoop and posterize someone with his sick athleticism. But he doesn't. He'll take a front of rim clanger ala Bruno Sundov.

I don't think our expectations could be any lower for this pick than they are now. All people want to see is that he is trying. That he values every opportunity. This team will win without DMC and I trust Joe to do what it takes to stay competitive in the future. It's Darko blowing his own career, just like Nikoloz Tskitishvili (the bad version of Zaza Pachulia).

i call it jacking up shots because it doesn't matter if he's open or anybody else is open on the court. if jmax touches it the ball is going up towards the rim. i never said anything about him making them or not. jmax is in love with his shot there are other people on the court open and othe passes to make with his great passing ability but instead he shoots it.

darko can hit the 20 foot shot and that opens up the drives. he isn't shooting contested jump shots. he's shooting what the defense and the play call flip makes gives him.

darko is trying when appropriate. it was garbage time so he was basically out there running the time out like the other players out there. the refs weren't giving 100% once the game was decided and i don't think anybody was. if you aren't interested in padding stats garbage time isn't the best time to get minutes. i'm tired of this darko "not trying" crud. people complain all he does is try to block shots. well he's racking up the blocks. it doesn't take effort to block shots???

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