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Originally Posted by KGREG Right now I would trade DMC+Delfino for Al Harrington and sign Spree. We won't ...

 
 
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Old 12-03-2005, 08:10 AM
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Right now I would trade DMC+Delfino for Al Harrington and sign Spree. We won't be able to afford DMC on the open market with Ben's new contract,Tay's new contract, & Chauncey opting out of his last year, meaning we'll have to pay him a year sooner. By then maybe JMax andAJ will start to bring it and Tay and Rip will still be the primary scorers.
How about for Mike James and Jalen Rose??
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tonight is just a bad game for darko. with any player just learning the nba game he will have good games and he will have bad games. he shouldn't get shipped out of town after every bad game. what about the game when he had about 4 blocks in a few minutes. how come you didn't take that as an indication of what to expect from him. darko is basically a rookie he has no game time experience to speak of. look at ben gordon he sucked at first for chicago but he found his way. darko is trying to find his way 5 minutes at a time.

darko isn't complaining about lack of playing time. he was complaining about when he is playing. flip is proving that playing darko doesn't lose you any games. flip should notice as darko's playing time went down his performance went down. darko should be getting consistent minutes like he was in the preseason if flip expects consistent results.
Are you Darko's agent? The guy sucked last night and was one of the causes of a big Knick run. It is outterly embrassing to see this guy cowarding away from Channing Frye as he tried to posterize him. Darko is bigger and stronger and he looked like a wet noodle.
Your reasoning about Darko getting consistent minutes is flawed do to the fact that in the pro game players are inserted into the line up based on match ups.Some guys get more minutes and some get less depending on the skill level of the other team especially if you are a bench player. Why would you put Darko in the game to get schooled and embrassed? Darko does not run the team so he does not get to choose when he plays or how long he plays. He is a player so he should come to play when ever his number is called whether it is garbage time or not. The guy needs to be shipped out of town to an expansion club or a losing team that can let him play 40 mins a game so he can develop. We are doing him a diservice keeping him and the longer we do the less value we are going to get for him.

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Old 12-03-2005, 12:29 PM
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Are you Darko's agent? The guy sucked last night and was one of the causes of a big Knick run. It is outterly embrassing to see this guy cowarding away from Channing Frye as he tried to posterize him. Darko is bigger and stronger and he looked like a wet noodle.
Your reasoning about Darko getting consistent minutes is flawed do to the fact that in the pro game players are inserted into the line up based on match ups.Some guys get more minutes and some get less depending on the skill level of the other team especially if you are a bench player. Why would you put Darko in the game to get schooled and embrassed? Darko does not run the team so he does not get to choose when he plays or how long he plays. He is a player so he should come to play when ever his number is called whether it is garbage time or not. The guy needs to be shipped out of town to an expansion club or a losing team that can let him play 40 mins a game so he can develop. We are doing him a diservice keeping him and the longer we do the less value we are going to get for him.
i could tell very much that darko would of done a lot better if lb wasn't on the sidelines. couldn't anyone else teall that? normally he'd be all over trying to block shots, set picks. and we saw in the preseason he's good at free-throws, and he missed them badly last night plus he missed an esy tip in. one thing good i saw was that dice hit 2 very confident jumpers in the second half. very good sign he just might lead this bench to start doing better.
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Old 12-03-2005, 12:38 PM
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12-2. Larry Brown's team goes to 5-10. Sounds good to me.

Rip was fantastic plus. Last game, with 30 scored, he was fantastic. 40 is just indesribably good. And two games like this in a row. Wow. Hit another 3. Made about 12 of 13 at the line. Coming off his screens and hitting. Wow and double wow. Best of all he had 30 going into the 4th quarter and get 10 more when it really counts.

Tay had an impressive double double, with 19 points and 10 rebounds. I had just noted today (in a different forum) that Tay's rebounding was down 25% so far this year. Hope this is a trend.

CB had 11 assists, and 11 points. I think I heard Blaha say that both he and and another player had this same stat (Marbury I guess.) Fitting as they enshrined Zeke on the Palace floor.

Ben stepped up and hit 2 for 2 at the stripe, right after Sheed had missed both of his to cap off a pretty much nothing performance from him tonight. Ben got fouled going for the rebound. Ben even hit a jumper.

Our bench did great, as long as Evans was not in the game. With Evans in the game, we were minus 15. Without Evans, Arroyo and Dyess were in there early in the 3rd pretty much putting this game away. But Evans came back into the game to start the 4th. And our defensive rotations completely stopped. The flow of our offense completely stopped. Hey, don't shoot the messenger. Mo is now minus 28 in the last two games combined, while the bench is otherwise heavily plus, about a point a minute in fact.

Arroyo hit a couple of outside shots and impressively finished a drive in with a reverse layup. And this is against there bigs, challenging them to stop him. And note, we only gave NY 8 points the whole 3rd quarter. With Arroyo and Dyess in, our defense held just fine.

Darko did not do much. Got beat by a couple of their bigs. Mistimed a tap in just a bit. Almost got another tap in to go, but missed that too. And missed his free throws. But at least he was there at the basket you notice. Give him time. And no, don't try to blame Evan's bad numbers on Darko. Evans was negative more without Darko than with Darko. Sorry Evans fans, thats the facts. Despite Evans nailing that triple, and getting an offensive rebound putback, he had a very poor game tonight.

Dyess hit a couple more shots, and once drove in and found Ben for an easy two points. Good job Dyess. Dale Davis got in the game briefly, did not do much of anything really.

With our current rebounding problems going on, I am more in favor of using Maxiell at backup small forward than ever. Yes, Ben is still probably hurting some from the other night, but it ain't all him. We are giving up way too many offensive rebounds and not getting enough ourselves.

No Delfino again tonight. I am still going to stick with my theory that Flip is giving Evans every chance to improve his defensive rotations and ball handling. But man would I rather have seen Delfino tonight vs. Evans.

One more thought. About NBA experience vs. practice. As far as I know, neither Channing Frye nor Jerome James are invited to our practices so that Darko can get practice guarding these guys. Thats why he needs to play. I am not worried at all that these guys each scored on Darko the one time each. Give Darko more of that. He needs the experience.
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i could tell very much that darko would of done a lot better if lb wasn't on the sidelines. couldn't anyone else teall that? normally he'd be all over trying to block shots, set picks. and we saw in the preseason he's good at free-throws, and he missed them badly last night plus he missed an esy tip in. one thing good i saw was that dice hit 2 very confident jumpers in the second half. very good sign he just might lead this bench to start doing better.
OMG...Come on, man. You sound like the guy who blamed Larry Brown for Darko having a bad game in Europe this summer. At some point people need to look at what Darko is doing and hold him responsible for what he does rather than blaming others.

Darko does well in practice too. But when 20,000 people watch him he looks lost and is usually an embarrassment. It wasn't Larry per se...it is the fact that this kid cannot seem to play when any type of real crowd watches him. That's part of being a pro. Darko ain't cutting it.

Time to cut their losses, if possible, IMO.
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In your post, when discussing Darko, all you talk about is "he ALMOST did this...he ALMOST did that". You sure cut him lots of slack. You say he didn't do much...that is a vast understatement...He did TERRIBLE.

I guess using that type of reasoning we can say Hunter almost scored 20 points per game against the Spurs last summer. He sure took lots of shots that ALMOST went in...just barely catching the outside of the rim. Just practice is all he needs. Just practice.
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The Knicks had a lb scoring drought in the 3rd that or the piston d showed up i can’t decide which but holding the Knicks to 8 points in the 3rd quarter was big. I know I should be happy as hell with how they shut them down but what happened to us in the 4th. We were up by 19 and the only sub that went in was Dyess for sheed and we blew that lead down to what 6 or less. 6 turnovers or Billups that is not like him at all and 3 came in the 4th I don’t know why other bench guys did not get in with that kind of lead imo that’s messed up but to blow that kind of lead sucked. I think the Pistons backed off so they would not make lb look bad, but why?
I bet Ben was pissed that the rook Ariza dunked on him the Knicks were acting like they won the game after that. If Ben is healthy I say he throws it back in the rooks face. 12-2 great start and 40 for rip he might not make the all-star team but he deserves it if he keeps playing at this level.
To be exact, we got up 19 early in the 4th, with the same group of players who finished the 3rd. (Arroyo, Rip, Tay, Dyess, Ben.) At that point, Evans came into the game and all our momentum stopped cold. People can have what ever opinion they want concerning if this was any fault of Evans. Just keep track though. For this game, our bench had three clear periods they played. 1) With Evans doing very badly. 2)No Evans and doing great 3)With Evans again and doing very badly. This pattern has held the last two games big time. Lets see if it continues, and I will continue to give my theories of what the problem is.
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OMG...Come on, man. You sound like the guy who blamed Larry Brown for Darko having a bad game in Europe this summer. At some point people need to look at what Darko is doing and hold him responsible for what he does rather than blaming others.

Darko does well in practice too. But when 20,000 people watch him he looks lost and is usually an embarrassment. It wasn't Larry per se...it is the fact that this kid cannot seem to play when any type of real crowd watches him. That's part of being a pro. Darko ain't cutting it.

Time to cut their losses, if possible, IMO.
just reread my post and i see that it sounds like that, but what i really meant is that darko was a little bit shaky out there because lb was there. i'm not blaming it on larry. let's see if he does good against the bulls today.
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It was discouraging to Darko supporters like me to see Davis come in for the few minutes he did. It's becoming a trend. Darko gets 5. Davis gets in the rest of the game. Is flip trying to show darko that you CAN get up off the bench and play even if its just a short time.



Put in Delfino flip!
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To be exact, we got up 19 early in the 4th, with the same group of players who finished the 3rd. (Arroyo, Rip, Tay, Dyess, Ben.) At that point, Evans came into the game and all our momentum stopped cold. People can have what ever opinion they want concerning if this was any fault of Evans.
I only was able to listen to the game but I thought it was the TO's that carlos then Chancey made that swung the momentum.
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