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Here's a fun recap from the big Warriors blog. Those guys aren't too keen on the Palace fans (they always refer to them as "barbarians" since the Artest brawl), but they sure do appreciate JMax. Interesting point about how the Pistons have kept finding really talented big men in the past few years--with all the complaining we do about Amir not playing and not having a real center since Ben left, it does give you some perspective to see the Warriors fans jealous over what the Pistons do have, since GS has barely had any legitimatelly talented traditional 4s or 5s in over a decade.
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Did anyone see Nellies qoutes on the game. He made some excellent points that we wish Flip would get. He knew his starters were not bringing it, he figured that could happen as a result of the scheduling, figured why wear them out and you have a game the next day, said that his bench needed the mins anyway, gave him a great chance to allow his young guys to play. SMART GUY!!!!! Not that we could ever, ever, ever, ever deal with Nelly as Pistons fans, but I do wish Flip would take a page out that book in ref to that game.
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Did anyone see Nellies qoutes on the game. He made some excellent points that we wish Flip would get. He knew his starters were not bringing it, he figured that could happen as a result of the scheduling, figured why wear them out and you have a game the next day, said that his bench needed the mins anyway, gave him a great chance to allow his young guys to play. SMART GUY!!!!! Not that we could ever, ever, ever, ever deal with Nelly as Pistons fans, but I do wish Flip would take a page out that book in ref to that game.
Flip's playbook is so big that there is no space left to add pages from Nellie's book, or anything else useful.
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Did anyone see Nellies qoutes on the game. He made some excellent points that we wish Flip would get. He knew his starters were not bringing it, he figured that could happen as a result of the scheduling, figured why wear them out and you have a game the next day, said that his bench needed the mins anyway, gave him a great chance to allow his young guys to play. SMART GUY!!!!! Not that we could ever, ever, ever, ever deal with Nelly as Pistons fans, but I do wish Flip would take a page out that book in ref to that game.
I think Flipper did that against the Lakers. The fact is that for most games that we have lost this year, except for the Lakers and maybe one or two others at the most, we have had a chance to win them well into the fourth quarter.

When we were blown out early on the road against the Lakers Flipper even played Cheikh.

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I think Flipper did that against the Lakers. The fact is that for most games that we have lost this year, except for the Lakers and maybe one or two others at the most, we have had a chance to win them well into the fourth quarter.

When we were blown out early on the road against the Lakers Flipper even played Cheikh.

Dude I remember that game being tied in the 4th qtr before Farmar started turning us over like pancakes, maybe I'm wrong though. I just Flip would have had this mentality against Memphis, meaningless game to say the least. In those comments it seems as if Nellie understands how to use today for the development of the bigger picture, and Flip doesn't.
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Here's a fun recap from the big Warriors blog. Those guys aren't too keen on the Palace fans (they always refer to them as "barbarians" since the Artest brawl), but they sure do appreciate JMax. Interesting point about how the Pistons have kept finding really talented big men in the past few years--with all the complaining we do about Amir not playing and not having a real center since Ben left, it does give you some perspective to see the Warriors fans jealous over what the Pistons do have, since GS has barely had any legitimatelly talented traditional 4s or 5s in over a decade.
I just read the write up it was pretty good but the comments left by the fans screams out that golden state fans are jealous of us pistons fans for having a good team...so jealous that they attack the city because they wish they had the team.For all the faults the pistons have im glad that Detroit is attached to the name I wouldnt have it any other way.
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I just read the write up it was pretty good but the comments left by the fans screams out that golden state fans are jealous of us pistons fans for having a good team...so jealous that they attack the city because they wish they had the team.For all the faults the pistons have im glad that Detroit is attached to the name I wouldnt have it any other way.
They had a few legit points concerning the Pistons fans. Oracle is much louder than the Palace these days. They asked has the crowd ever willed their team to a victory and the answer is yes&no. When Ben was here and our Mantra was "Goin to work", we did it alot. Now with the Flip regime, the palace crowd is not as inspired as they used to be.

Oh and another thing, how and the heck can they talk about the urban problems of Detroit?? Last time I checked GoldenState was a Bay Area team, and the Bay Area is not just expensive San Fran, it also includes Oakland....Oakland is indeed the Detroit of the west coast. Oaklanders should in no means what-so-ever throw stones, since they live in a glass house.
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I was listening to Serious radio for 2 hours waiting for them to do the recap...never happened.
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They had a few legit points concerning the Pistons fans. Oracle is much louder than the Palace these days. They asked has the crowd ever willed their team to a victory and the answer is yes&no. When Ben was here and our Mantra was "Goin to work", we did it alot. Now with the Flip regime, the palace crowd is not as inspired as they used to be.

Oh and another thing, how and the heck can they talk about the urban problems of Detroit?? Last time I checked GoldenState was a Bay Area team, and the Bay Area is not just expensive San Fran, it also includes Oakland....Oakland is indeed the Detroit of the west coast. Oaklanders should in no means what-so-ever throw stones, since they live in a glass house.
Oakland, while definitely having issues of its own, is by no means as bad as Detroit is, although quite overpriced. Having said that, it has nothing to do with the ball game. Also, Oracle arena is quite a bit smaller than The Palace and the ceiling sits lower, so it doesn't take as much to fill it up with noice.
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Wow, a game where just about everyone got what they wanted. (Unless someone wanted to see Fabio play, he did not dress for this one.)

Adding comments after rewatching the game. I'll start the paragraph with 2nd to show where I added comments.


Our starters did not do all that well, but they did not fall behind either. Baron Davis was kept to 2 points, so you know our starters were playing some serious D. Prince was rack'n up the points all over the place, nice to see his outside shot back. Rip hit some shots. Dyess was in a shooting groove and he got inside here and there. Sheed had another no show game for the most part.

2nd) Dyess only made one outside shots. The other 12 points were at the basket, three of them on post up moves. Sheed hits some shots early and that was it.

Billups gave us some very important scoring at the line to end the 3rd quarter. His drives inside, and some good shooting by Tay, were all we had to counter a GS team that was all the sudden hitting all their outside shots. (Shots by their subs after their starters had sat.) I kind of wondered though why it seemed Tay and Billups were playing a two man game, ignoring Afflalo, JMAX, and Amir. Amir had come in for Sheed after he picked up a tech, with about 4 minutes to go in the 3rd. A unit of Billups, Afflalo, Prince, Amir, and JMAX played the last few minutes of the 3rd, and it got quite interesting.


The lead was 20 when Amir entered the game. It went down to 15 at one point and this had us fans wondering if yet again we were going to be shutout as far as getting to see Amir playing serious minutes. Fifteen points down with 14 minutes to go in the game is not garbage time. Amir ended up showing a lot of skill.

2nd)The lead was 22 when Amir entered. It was a 15 point game with 13 minutes to go.

For the third time in 3 games, we saw Amir do a fancy move to the basket while making it look easy. Very impressive. He blocked a fastbreak layup attempt. He went on the floor and alertly knocked the ball ahead to start a fast break. (Where JMAX missed a windmiller.) Three blocks for Amir. Seven rebounds. He followed up a fast break layup miss by Afflalo with a slam. There is a huge difference between Amir getting a rebound and JMAX getting one. Amir makes it look effortless while JMAX, being much shorter, makes it look hard.

2nd) Amir dribbled left handed to the left (from middle top), got past his defender, and then hooked it lefty over the 2nd defender with ease. Amir is right handed. No weaving was involved in this one; Amir just used a very strong move here when he saw an opening for it. Amir also scored a 2nd time in the post. This time, the pass was poor, and Amir fumbled it, recovered the ball, and simply layed it in before the defense could recover.

Amir is very active on D, and when it comes time for the rebound, he is right there. If the other team is fast breaking, they got to contend with Amir. I really can't see any down side to this young player playing for us. A whole lot of us want to see more. It is my opinion that if Amir started playing regularly, the Palace would start to fill up again.

2nd) They say the snow kept half the fans away from this sellout. But I was at the Friday game - not much more than half there either.

Afflalo played half the game. Half the game. He played the whole 2nd quarter save maybe 2 minutes to start it. He even got some small forward minutes there at the end. What a difference between him and Hayes getting those minutes. Afflalo handles the ball well to complement the point guard, hits his shots, is all over the place on D. And when he drives in, people become open as the other team is forced to address him.

Hunter played solid ball for the most part. Yeah, he played too long, and got slow bringing it up at the end, but you know I was thinking he might need life support if they kept him in any longer. And still, even with a 25 point lead, an exhausted Hunter, Murray still got no time. Which was great, as Afflalo and Amir got lots of touches this way. Back to Hunter. Good solid D.

Hayes did very little in this one. A nice pass from Brezec got him a easy one under the basket, and very late in the game he finally made a jump shot.


Maxiell was pretty awesome. A unit of Billups, Afflalo, Hayes, Dyess, and JMAX held GS nearly scoreless for most of the 2nd quarter. Hunter helped start the run, and Sheed was in there too for some of it. We ended the 2nd quarter with Rip at small forward and Afflalo at shooting guard. I loved the fact that Afflalo stayed in after playing such fine D.

2nd) This ain't right. I had reviewed Friday's game just before watching this one. (something I usually avoid these days.) and got a bit confused between the two games. The unit that did the main damage, a 17-1 run, was Billups, Afflalo, Prince, JMAX, Dyess. Rip came in for Prince, and we got one more bucket to make it a 19-1 run. It was still overall a very good defensive quarter, and Hayes did play the first five minutes. (but the 19-1 run started with 7 minutes to go, and Hayes off the floor already.)


Now for just a bit of knitpicking. In the first half, we played exclusively a 3 man rotation for our bigs. JMAX spelling both Dyess and Sheed. I sure hope that next game, after what he just did in this one, that big rotation adds Amir to it. Yeah, and Amir could play some small forward too. Nobody could do much worse than Hayes did. (Though I must say that for this game and last, Hayes has been in during some seriously good defensive runs for us. He does hurt us now and then by being too slow on one on one defense, but he is a good team player.)



GO PISTONS!!!!!
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