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Old 12-19-2009, 01:59 AM
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Re: at Oklahoma City Thunder Friday December 18 8:00 pm

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I've been reluctant to say because I was afraid it would come out wrong, but I wonder if Stuckey has it upstairs to ever be a good player. He really seems to be lacking a lot of the time.
The problems with his game are all mental imo. Someone mentioned he has small hands and that is why he doesn't dunk, but I don't think Stuckey is lacking for size, strength, or even skill.

But putting it all together seems to be the problem. Same problem some of us think Amir had.

There was one point where we were down in the 4th, and he drives right into 2 or 3 guys, while Daye is wide open spotted up, and I think to myself,

"Either he can't see him, which means his court vision is atrocious, or he refuses to see him, in which case, he's not playing smart."

Either way, it's not good.

The whole point of scoring a lot, and eventually drawing double teams, is not to drive into them head down, but to find the open man. And it's not like Daye is a bad shooter. This is a kid with a really nice stroke, with lots of range.

Maybe Joe should be administering the Wonderlic test to these guys instead of seeing if they can jump out of the gym during workouts.
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Old 12-19-2009, 02:45 AM
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Re: at Oklahoma City Thunder Friday December 18 8:00 pm

I have read a lot of good writeups on the game between the couple of boards I read. Thanks to those who took the time to write their observations.


I will add a few things that I did not see written yet. Daye fouled out, but he played half his minutes at small forward. He could have been played at shooting guard several more minutes, and Summers could have gotten more burn at small forward. In other words, we could have gone a lot less in this game with two point guards in the game at the same time, something we did for all but 12 minutes in the game. Stuckey palyed a lot of minutes, on this, a third game in 4 nights. Nothing left at all in the 4th quarter even though he did score 31 in the game. (24 points scored by early 3rd quarter for him.) Bynum played a lot of minutes on that gimpy ankle of his, and Atkins played way too many minutes considering how bad a defender he is.


Though Wilcox scored 4 of 4 tries, with 3 of those coming from nice feeds from Bynum, in all, the team failed miserably at getting the ball to Wilcox in the post. Several times our guards tried to force passes to him that were just not there, while at other times the passes just stank.
Adding to the list of things JJ does well, going up in a crowd and making the basket.


Even though Summers could have played more, at Atkins' expense, in all the coach did manage to get enough developmental minutes to the young guys. And except for Stuckey playing too much, the minutes were ok for the players.


Kudos to some of the Thunder bench players for very good play.
Yes, CV ain't playing D, and it is hurting us pretty bad sometimes, particularly these last two games. But I blame the coach for not sitting CV when he does particularly poorly on D. I believe these last two games were winnable if only the coach would have pulled him when he saw the other team was eating him alive around the basket.


Yes we could have gone bigger, but no small ball was played.
I enjoy watching Wilcox play a lot more than watching Kwame play. I do not miss at all the dropped passes, nor the constant being out of position on defense, that we get from Kwame.


Despite the two losses, we competed in both games, something tough to do on the road, and on a 2nd game of a back to back - or worse yet the 3rd game played in 4 nights. Good coaching to at least get that.


Another bad road trip. Time to get back on a winning track, but again, going home does not mean any automatic wins. It was Cleveland last time greeting us on arriving home, and it will be the Lake show this time. Oh well though, the schedule will balance out.
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Old 12-19-2009, 02:57 AM
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Re: at Oklahoma City Thunder Friday December 18 8:00 pm

What did you guys think about Stuckey getting sat by Q?
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Re: at Oklahoma City Thunder Friday December 18 8:00 pm

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What did you guys think about Stuckey getting sat by Q?

You mean a whole game or do you mean coming off the bench? He shook up the lineup by stating Max and Atkins a couple of weeks back, Maybe he should start Atkins and Rip or Atkins and Gordon, then put in Stuckey and Bynum in the second unit..zzzzzzzzz ok its late, time to go to sleep ..

Oh by the way despite our three game slide, we are still the seventh seed...
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Old 12-19-2009, 08:52 AM
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Re: at Oklahoma City Thunder Friday December 18 8:00 pm

Only 5 of 15 Eastern Conference teams playing above .500 ball. That's just sick.
Pistons current record works out to a 34 win season. Hopefully, Old Ben returns, but my fear is that he's given his best effort for the season and now it's all down hill. I just don't see the Pistons playing any better once the old guard (Rip and Prince) returns because...its the old guard. Maybe Gordon can help as that needed extra scoring option.
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Re: at Oklahoma City Thunder Friday December 18 8:00 pm

I was irked about this game until I heard and saw Kue's post game:

PISTONS: Woe for the Road


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“Very disappointing,” John Kuester said. “Very disappointing. That’s when you have to lie to your legs about drive and kick, drive and kick We’ve got too many good athletes to not take advantage of drive and kicks and we had three or four bad” – heavy emphasis on bad – “possessions.”
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When someone suggested to him that at least Stuckey performed at a high level, Kuester followed with a pregnant pause and, at last, said, “He scored points.”
Asked to expound, Kuester said, “Rodney has had a wonderful start, but we need him to lead. He’s a very gifted offensive player, but we have to generate things with being shorthanded from everybody, not just Stuckey. Everybody has to take ownership of how we defend and even if you don’t make the right play, your body language tells you whether you’re reacting the way we want you to and that’s all I’m asking.”
I like Kue, he gets it. What he needs is to be able to send players to the pine for not getting it done, problem is when you look at the bench and see that Chucky Atkins is you're only other option....well......

It was nice to see a few moments of Good Chris Wilcox. Good Chris Wilcox brings something to the table that this team needs in the worse way, a 6'10" monster who can catch and finish above the rim with the best of them. Good Chris Wilcox showed why he's worth every bit of $3M/yr, problem is he simultaneously showed why he's ONLY worth $3M/yr, because Bad Chris Wilcox made some appearances on the defensive end........

This dude I swear, if he could ever just put it all together he'd easily command anywhere from $5-$8M/yr. That said, he's no worse than Kwame defensively and at least Wilcox can catch and finish, BUT, Weezy don't bring the effort and heart everynight, and for all the things you can fault Kwame for, TRYING, is not one of them....this is the true definition of dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
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Old 12-19-2009, 10:33 AM
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Re: at Oklahoma City Thunder Friday December 18 8:00 pm

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You mean a whole game or do you mean coming off the bench? He shook up the lineup by stating Max and Atkins a couple of weeks back, Maybe he should start Atkins and Rip or Atkins and Gordon, then put in Stuckey and Bynum in the second unit..zzzzzzzzz ok its late, time to go to sleep ..
You, Q sat him for part of the 3rd. The OK announcers even commented on how someone on the Pistons sideline didn't like what Stuckey was doing because he was not in the game and he should have been.

KG's post maybe clarifies some of that.
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Re: at Oklahoma City Thunder Friday December 18 8:00 pm

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Pretty bad. And agree with the previous comments. The team needs its key guys back. The Pistons have hit a wall. I mean look out on the floor and you see Stuckey and CV and a bunch of rookies. That is about it. The rest of the team look like journeymen. And it gets easy for their defense to key on Stuckey and CV.

The defense is poor too. Seems like our bigs rarely block shots anymore. Every teams front line seems better than the Pistons. Maxiel and Ben scarcely showed up on the trip. I would have went down in that 4th quarter with all the rookies. At least the rookies can score some.
I agree, especially with the 2nd paragraph. At times during these losses I say to myself - our front court really looks bad this year. Ben has been great but he is not going to do it all the time every game like he used to. When Charlie V is not scoring he is not much help. Besides that everyone else are just not very consistent.

I hope things will pickup when the other guys get back - it has to right?

For now, I am beside myself in disappointment at dropping all 3 of these west coast games. I would have been happy with even 1 win.
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Re: at Oklahoma City Thunder Friday December 18 8:00 pm

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I like Kue, he gets it. What he needs is to be able to send players to the pine for not getting it done, problem is when you look at the bench and see that Chucky Atkins is you're only other option....well......
Yeah, he seems a lot more strategic and insightful than our last two coaches. He has some LB in him, but with seemingly zero drama.

I reall haven't seen anything that I don't like about his coaching style so far.
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Old 12-19-2009, 12:09 PM
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Re: at Oklahoma City Thunder Friday December 18 8:00 pm

No Summers = No win.
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