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I will agree that West and Magic are better, just watching replays of Magic on espn classic (sorry no nba ...

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Old 09-09-2005, 07:48 PM
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I will agree that West and Magic are better, just watching replays of Magic on espn classic (sorry no nba tv) the man could do anything he wanted on the court. But to put some of the others on that list ahead of him is just plain sad. Stockton if he didnt have Malone he would have only been average. as for the others well im to young. If Isiah needed to score then he could score if he needed to get the ball the the hot hand he could get it through a double team . Isiah was just fearless. I am so glad that nobody can ever wear #11 again cuz they just would not do it justice.
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Top 5 without a doubt.Those were Zeke's teams without a doubt he was the heart and soul and demanded that everyone around him do the same.I'm sorry but Kidd is a hell of a passer/set-up man but he could never hold Zeke's jock strap as far as scoring at will and just the fire he brought especially in the playoffs elevating his team even when having no ankle.

Stockton well deserving of a top 5-8 nod personally I can't stand him or Malone after the Dream Team snub which was B.S. and Malone delivering the blatant elbow to Zeke's eyebrow.
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WHo is Zeke? Darko?
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Old 09-09-2005, 09:27 PM
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WHo is Zeke? Darko?
Zeke = Isiah Thomas' nickname.
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Charley Rosen is a Hater!

ZEKE is top 5 point in history of the game. The problem most people have is that he scored too much and at will, so they say he's not a PURE point guard. Whatever. Watch the games on NBA TV and it is very clear. The man was amazing. In my opinion- BETTER THAN MAGIC. and Magic was amazing. give Zeke a few more inches and we would have a few more titles. DJ???? laughable.
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ZEKE is top 5 point in history of the game. The problem most people have is that he scored too much and at will, so they say he's not a PURE point guard. Whatever. Watch the games on NBA TV and it is very clear. The man was amazing. In my opinion- BETTER THAN MAGIC. and Magic was amazing. give Zeke a few more inches and we would have a few more titles. DJ???? laughable.
After Isiah Thomas was enshrined into the Hall of Fame, he was asked
during a interview about his height, or lack of. To be honest, I can't quote his response, however, the gist of his answer was as follows.

If I were three or four inches taller and with no disrespect to Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc., nobody could have stopped me.

Relative to Isiah's place in history, top 5, no brainer.
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Two Way Tie

Michael and Magic with the Big "O" coming in third, Zeke fourth, Bob Cousy fifth, Kidd and Stockton tied for sixth Maravich eighth and "C" Bill ninth. (what can I say, personal prejudice and bias).

Michael and Magic were clearly above the rest of the field simply because of their numbers and the fact that their teams won so many rings.

Most people don't think of Michael as a point guard and he was not a "True" point guard in the classical sense of the word, but he did average 5.3 assists a game over his career which was almost double the number of assists per game of his 2 main backcourt mates during his years in Chicago, i.e. Johnny Paxon and B.J. Armstrong. No one can deny that when Michael was on the court he definitely controlled the ball on the offense for the Bulls.

I loved Zeke's game and in my mind he is #4 right all time right behind the Big "O". What can one say about Cousy? Like Bird (see below) he won (too) many rings (LOL) and could handle the ball as well as any point guard who ever played. Stockton had some excellent assist numbers but he had Malone to pass to his entire career plus he never won a ring so I would have to put him below Cousy.

Bottom line is that Michael won 6 rings and Magic 5 with each of them averging over 40 points produced per game (points + 2 times their assists). Magic 41.7 and Michael 40.7. Only the Big "O" averaged more over their careers at over 45 points produced per game.

I believe those three were the only players to have career averages of over 40 points produced per game though Wilt came close with 38.9 per game.

Zeke averaged 37.8 points per game over his career, Stockton 34 points per game, Cousy and Kidd 33. By the way Maravich averaged 35 points produced per game over his career but he and the Big "O" played at a time when the scoring overall was a lot higher in the league.

P.S. The best point forward of all time Bird with (too) many rings (LOL) and a career average of 36.9 pppg.
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Charley Rosen recently made a list of top point guards. I think he is trying to stir up controversy with some of his choices:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/3734262

1. Big "O"
2. Magic
3. Jerry West
4. Jon Stockton
5. Walt Frazier
6. Dennis Johnson
7. Lenny Wilkens
8. Ralph Beard (played 2 seasons before banishment from NBA for point-rigging)

Zeke made honorable mention. Some people simply hate the Pistons. Even if you do, Zeke still has to be in the top 5.

If you click on the link above, you can also see other rankings (top center, power forward, 6th man, coach, team, overrated, etc.).

Only 3 more posts until I get my *^&(*^(^(*& avatar...
Nothings changed with Rosen one freckin bit, he's been a refuted VICIOUS Pistons hater for years now! I personally don't think there is any possible way Stockton can ever be rated over Zeke, that's like rating Patrick Ewing over Hakeem Olajuwon.... It's just not right!!! I'm sorry but when it comes down to it you've got to go with the guy who's got the ships/rings folks. No matter what stockton ever did (and he was indeed great) he was NEVER a Champion... Meanwhile Zeke has been a Champion at every level of his career PERIOD!
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WHo is Zeke? Darko?
SAY WHAT???

WHOA?!?!? WOW, you're ignorance/innocence as an alleged Pistons fan is BLARING all over the freckin place!!!!!!!!!! Let me guess pal, you just became a Pistons fan when we drafted young Darko, right..? Irregardless welcome aboard guy, I'm sure if you stick around long enough you'll hopefully get caught up to speed soon enough....
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SAY WHAT???

WHOA?!?!? WOW, you're ignorance/innocence as an alleged Pistons fan is BLARING all over the freckin place!!!!!!!!!! Let me guess pal, you just became a Pistons fan when we drafted young Darko, right..? Irregardless welcome aboard guy, I'm sure if you stick around long enough you'll hopefully get caught up to speed soon enough....
Easy now. Forums are better without pomposity and condescension. Everybody has to start somewhere, and people shouldn't be afraid to ask honest questions.
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