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Originally Posted by Lee356 Even though not signed, Mejia is playing for our D-Leauge affiliate. We can call him ...

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Even though not signed, Mejia is playing for our D-Leauge affiliate. We can call him up just like anyone else can. And of course, we can tell the coaches down there what homework to give Mejia. Remember this, you like Afflalo for his defense, right? Mejia is better. And Mejia has the size to play small forward. Mejia handles the ball better too. (Not that Afflalo is all that bad.) Mejia, although Afflalo can rebound too, rebounds twice as good. Afflalo has it all over Mejia in the scoring department, both long range and around the basket, but other than scoring, Mejia is much better at everything else. (And believe it or not, although not that talented, Mejia can score a bit too.)

I assure you, Samb is practicing with the team. I was down on the floor before the game, sitting not 5 feet from him some of the time as he was doing pregame drills.
I really would like to see Samb given a shot this year. I just don't know how that would be possible. Amir is not even playing yet. Is it possible to go 5 deep at PF/C? How many team effectivly do that.

I do like Dyess at his old 20-25 MPG. More if he is playing well and less if he is shooting those 15' bricks and getting beat on the defensive end. We need Sheed for as much as he can play and Maxiel's play demands more mins.

For one game we saw the Amir/Samb combo and I liked what I saw. Kind of knew that would be the only time we would see that but it would be nice if there was some way to get both Samb and Amir in there. Maybe playing Amir some at SF but thats not going to happen.
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I really would like to see Samb given a shot this year. I just don't know how that would be possible. Amir is not even playing yet. Is it possible to go 5 deep at PF/C? How many team effectivly do that.

I do like Dyess at his old 20-25 MPG. More if he is playing well and less if he is shooting those 15' bricks and getting beat on the defensive end. We need Sheed for as much as he can play and Maxiel's play demands more mins.

For one game we saw the Amir/Samb combo and I liked what I saw. Kind of knew that would be the only time we would see that but it would be nice if there was some way to get both Samb and Amir in there. Maybe playing Amir some at SF but thats not going to happen.
Indeed, there is no reason at all not to use a five man rotation at our two big spots.

Campbell, Okur, Corliss, Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace.

Ever hear of those five? EC started out as our starting center in 2004. Later, Memo was our starting center during a 13 game win streak. For the playoffs, none of Corliss, Memo, or Campbell played a whole lot really, but all three played, and were very prepared to play.

Oh, yes, Darko was a rookie on that team. Yes, there was even time for him to play here and there. Coach's who say there is no room for a player are simply into making excuses.
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Indeed, there is no reason at all not to use a five man rotation at our two big spots.

Campbell, Okur, Corliss, Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace.

Ever hear of those five? EC started out as our starting center in 2004. Later, Memo was our starting center during a 13 game win streak. For the playoffs, none of Corliss, Memo, or Campbell played a whole lot really, but all three played, and were very prepared to play.

Oh, yes, Darko was a rookie on that team. Yes, there was even time for him to play here and there. Coach's who say there is no room for a player are simply into making excuses.
True, also the old Pistons had Edwards, Lambier, Rodman, Sally and Mahorn ( Mahorn up to 1990 ).

But Corliss played some SF as well as some of the old Pistons - Rodman I think.

Flip has made it clear that he will not play any of our bigs at small forward.

See the pattern. Front court depth = championship. I know the league has went small and plays a different style but you still need front court depth to dish out some fouls. Otherwise we are going to see Prince or maybe Hayes this time trying to guard Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett in a crucial playoff game.
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True, also the old Pistons had Edwards, Lambier, Rodman, Sally and Mahorn ( Mahorn up to 1990 ).

But Corliss played some SF as well as some of the old Pistons - Rodman I think.

Flip has made it clear that he will not play any of our bigs at small forward.

See the pattern. Front court depth = championship. I know the league has went small and plays a different style but you still need front court depth to dish out some fouls. Otherwise we are going to see Prince or maybe Hayes this time trying to guard Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett in a crucial playoff game.
I think you are missing one of the bigs from the 1989 team. He played more than just a few minutes. A minor player compared to the rest, but he still added some depth. Can anyone say who I am talking about?
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the Piston lineup should be this simple:

1. Fire Flip. He has no control over this team and can not make adjustments against better coaches. If he did, he would do this:

2. START: F- HAYES
F- MC DYESS
C- WALLACE
G- BILLUPS
G- HAMILTON

BENCH- PRINCE
STUCKEY
MAXIEL
AFFLALO
JOHNSON, ED HERRMANN

CIGARS-HUNTER
BREZEC
HERRMANN, AMIR


If you bring Prince in to relieve Stuckey in calling plays, this team will fly!!!We are proving that we dont need 4 allstars to start the game, we need them to be there at the end!!! If Pop can convince Ginoblli and Spuds can convince Jason terry and Stackhouse, why cant we convince Tay?
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I think you are missing one of the bigs from the 1989 team. He played more than just a few minutes. A minor player compared to the rest, but he still added some depth. Can anyone say who I am talking about?
Chocolate Thunder?
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the Piston lineup should be this simple:

1. Fire Flip. He has no control over this team and can not make adjustments against better coaches. If he did, he would do this:

2. START: F- HAYES
F- MC DYESS
C- WALLACE
G- BILLUPS
G- HAMILTON

BENCH- PRINCE
STUCKEY
MAXIEL
AFFLALO
JOHNSON, ED HERRMANN

CIGARS-HUNTER
BREZEC
HERRMANN, AMIR


If you bring Prince in to relieve Stuckey in calling plays, this team will fly!!!We are proving that we dont need 4 allstars to start the game, we need them to be there at the end!!! If Pop can convince Ginoblli and Spuds can convince Jason terry and Stackhouse, why cant we convince Tay?
Interesting. 1st lineup where Hayes is starting.

I do think that Prince should not be always given a free pass though.
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I do believe we have a winner.
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Interesting. 1st lineup where Hayes is starting.

I do think that Prince should not be always given a free pass though.
Why Prince should not start:

First of all, Flip should be fired, rather than use the following reason not to start Prince. Its called idiot proofing. But getting rid of the "idiot" is generally more effective. Tay is one guy amongst our starters who has proven that regular starters minutes wear him the heck out. So having him come off the bench would keep him fresher for the playoffs, when we really are going to need the guy at 100% Now, finding a coach that simply understands that Tay has to have his minutes limited, whether or not he is starting, would be the best way to go.

Next reason. With Tay coming off the bench, he becomes very available both as the backup small forward, or if we want to go big, as the shooting guard. (But even here, a competent coach could simply limit Tay's minutes even more at small forward, leaving him easily able to play some shooting guard and not get tuckered out.)

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Why Prince should not start:

First of all, Flip should be fired, rather than use the following reason not to start Prince. Its called idiot proofing. But getting rid of the "idiot" is generally more effective. Tay is one guy amongst our starters who has proven that regular starters minutes wear him the heck out. So having him come off the bench would keep him fresher for the playoffs, when we really are going to need the guy at 100% Now, finding a coach that simply understands that Tay has to have his minutes limited, whether or not he is starting, would be the best way to go.

Next reason. With Tay coming off the bench, he becomes very available both as the backup small forward, or if we want to go big, as the shooting guard. (But even here, a competent coach could simply limit Tay's minutes even more at small forward, leaving him easily able to play some shooting guard and not get tuckered out.)
Who is going to change a coach on a 26-9 team?
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