Detroit Pistons Fan Community - PistonsForum.com
 
Go Back   Detroit Pistons Fan Community - PistonsForum.com > Detroit Pistons > Detroit Pistons General Discussion
Forums Home Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Detroit Pistons General Discussion Most anything Pistons related, use the forums below for specific topics.

Discuss: Rotations at Detroit Pistons Fan Community - PistonsForum.com

Originally Posted by Lee356 Well, my only point of this post - that signing Herrmann should not make a difference, is ...

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #641 (permalink)  
Old 08-08-2008, 10:13 PM
BillLaimbeer's Avatar
BillLaimbeer BillLaimbeer is offline
Contributor
 
Last Online: Today 01:34 PM
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 3,431
Re: Rotations

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee356 View Post
Well, my only point of this post - that signing Herrmann should not make a difference, is just reinforced. No room for the guy. (PS - I posted a rotation that included Kwame on the other site. I got mixed feelings on his signing. On the one hand, it seems we have to have another true center on the team. But on the other, I believe that Amir and JMAX should get minutes over Kwame so Kwame might be in the way of that. Its one of those - good signings if the coach uses the player right, but a bad signing if the coach can't manage to get the minutes per player right. There are plenty of minutes for each player that deserves minutes - as long as players that don't deserve major minutes do not get them.)

It sounds like you don't trust Curry. Didn't you want Joe D to get rid of Saunders?
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
  #642 (permalink)  
Old 08-08-2008, 10:42 PM
Lee356 Lee356 is online now
Member+
 
Last Online: Today 07:20 PM
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Flint
Posts: 1,864
Re: Rotations

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee356 View Post
And since someone mentioned Mejia. He has had continuous problems with that ankle. If he can get fully healthy, I would like to see him on the roster. However, I have not seen Sharpe play yet, so I do not know which player is better between the two. I will say this, if Sharpe is that good that he can beat out a healthy Sammy Mejia for minutes, he is very good indeed.

Here is a 15 man roster that includes Mejia:

Billups, Stuckey, Bynum

Rip, Afflalo

Tay, Mejia, Sharpe, Herrmann

Sheed, JMAX, Amir

Brown, Samb, Dyess

With this roster, you have 4 players that can spend some time in the D League, Samb, Sharpe, Mejia, and Bynum.

Who to start:

Probably go with Brown at center so Sheed can play power forward, so:

Billups, Rip, Tay, Sheed, Brown start.

2nd unit:

Stuckey, Afflalo, Mejia, Amir, JMAX

11th and 12th men:

Dyess, as a defensive specialist vs. bigger centers, and Samb, who we play as much as we can to get his shot blocking presence into the game.

Mejia would be the 3rd string point for this 12 man roster.

This leaves Sharpe, Herrmann, and Bynum inactive, with Sharpe and Bynum in the D-League much of the time.
I am going to add some comments about this roster:

Billups, Rip, Tay, and Sheed. We know they have won it all before.

Brown: He will work in the post. And only in the post. Comparing him to past centers that we have used since Ben left makes him look just fine. Webber could not defend. Dyess only shoots outside jumpers. Mohammed could be pushed out of a play way too easy, whenever the other team chose to do it, and showed near zero post game for us. I am not saying Brown is all that great, but he may be just what we need for our starting unit - someone who can guard the center so Sheed does not have too, and someone who will post up consistently. Still young. He just might have found a place to grow.

Stuckey. Can drive the ball in. Has naturally good defense with plenty of speed, length, and height. Needs more experience on D to maximize his natural gifts. His point guard skills are good enough and improving. Our offense no longer goes dead if CB leaves the floor.

Afflalo. Does a lot of many things, but especially plays good solid perimeter D to where his guy can't get past him and into the lane. Afflalo is a difference maker.

Mejia. As good as Afflalo is, he is not near as good as Mejia on defense. Mejia has fantastic footwork, and is much stronger than Afflalo. Mejia guards all three positions, point, shooting guard, and small forward, far better than Afflalo. Mejia also will be our 2nd best rebounder, only behind Amir. And perhaps the best thing - when Tay sits, and takes with him his excellent ball handling skill to the bench, Mejia replaces every bit of it, and maybe then some. To the bad, Mejia will score by going inside, but that is about it - poor outside jumper, not good at scoring around the basket other than by just bulling his way in. Does get to the line a lot, but is not a good free throw shooter. Basically, he is not a zero on O since he does bring the ball inside strongly, but he would be the fifth option, and not anywhere near our 4th option, on that 2nd unit. (With our options being Stuckey, JMAX, Amir, Afflalo in that order.)

Amir. One, extremely active on defense. Above all, he gets to the plays. Sure, he needs some work on selecting what to do when he gets to the play, but since he gets to so many, he will quickly enough gain the experience needed. He needs to play consistent minutes, and he will look like he did when we played him consistent minutes toward the end of last year - just fine. On offense, Amir hits a very high percentage of the shots he takes, and pretty much all his shots are close in. Don't be fooled by watching him practice something new and looking way too raw. Amir makes good decisions on when to shoot, and when to pass the ball, whenever he plays regularly. His decision making is indeed about the best part of his game. You are going to like watching Amir play this year, and a lot.

JMAX. I will just say this. Amir brings the speed, JMAX brings the power. Excellent pair of players to play together.

Dyess. Still can contribute. Just no way as a starter. As a depth player, he is a very good quality one.

Samb. Lets see what he can do. He is not getting any younger.

Last edited by Lee356 : 08-08-2008 at 10:43 PM.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
  #643 (permalink)  
Old 08-08-2008, 11:59 PM
lurker's Avatar
lurker lurker is offline
Super Moderator
 
Last Online: Today 06:39 PM
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: San Diego
Posts: 855

Re: Rotations

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee356 View Post
Samb. Lets see what he can do. He is not getting any younger.
He's only 23, and he's younger than that in basketball years because of his late introduction to the game. If he continues to show improvement the Pistons would be wise to give him more time to figure it out.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
  #644 (permalink)  
Old 08-10-2008, 09:38 AM
Lee356 Lee356 is online now
Member+
 
Last Online: Today 07:20 PM
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Flint
Posts: 1,864
Re: Rotations

Quote:
Originally Posted by lurker View Post
He's only 23, and he's younger than that in basketball years because of his late introduction to the game. If he continues to show improvement the Pistons would be wise to give him more time to figure it out.
To be precise, he will turn 24 a week or so before the season starts. Some have said we should let him develop a couple more years yet. To me, age 26 is a bit too late to be starting an NBA career. I want to see him play this season.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
  #645 (permalink)  
Old 08-10-2008, 01:00 PM
max's Avatar
max max is offline
Super Moderator
 
Last Online: Today 12:36 PM
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 4,754
Re: Rotations

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee356 View Post
To be precise, he will turn 24 a week or so before the season starts. Some have said we should let him develop a couple more years yet. To me, age 26 is a bit too late to be starting an NBA career. I want to see him play this season.
Exactly. I would even go on to say that if he shows something in pre-season and we don't play him then it would only be fair to trade him to a team that will. Both Samb and Amir as Amir is entering his 4th season.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
  #646 (permalink)  
Old 08-20-2008, 09:33 PM
Lee356 Lee356 is online now
Member+
 
Last Online: Today 07:20 PM
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Flint
Posts: 1,864
Re: Rotations

Just because its so slow around here this offseason that watching paint dry is starting to sound interesting, here is a possible roster and rotation.

Lets say that Sharpe is so good he actually deserves to be in the rotation. Ditto for Samb. And Mejia is as good as I say he is. And Dyess accepts a lesser, though still important, role on the team. Is their room for all these players?

Lets see a depth chart:

Point) Billups, Stuckey, Mejia. (Bynum in D-League.)

Shooting guard) Rip, Afflalo, Mejia

Small forward) Tay, Mejia, Sharpe, Amir, JMAX

Power forward) Sheed, JMAX, Amir, Dyess

Center) Brown, Samb, Sheed, Dyess

Starters) Billups, Rip, Tay, Sheed, Brown.

2nd unit) Stuckey, Afflalo, Mejia, JMAX, Samb.

11th and 12th guys) Amir and Dyess.

When does Amir play? Every game. Mejia, Samb, and Brown sit out 20 games each. Tay sits out 8 games. JMAX sits out 8 games. Sheed sits out 8 games. Billups sits out 8 games. Rip sits out 8 games.

When does Dyess play? In about 60 games, for about 12 minutes per game.

When does Sharpe play? In about 40 games, for 10 minutes per game, pretty much every other game, all season long.

Does anyone play every game. Yes, Afflalo, Stuckey, and Amir play in every game. Each one, 20 minutes every game.

What we don't do: Depend on any one player to stay healthy for us to win. We do not over play players. We do not ignore back to back situations and forget to rest players in one of the games.

Is any of this practical? Of course it is. Billups, Rip, Tay, and Sheed have been our core since around the beginning of 2004, four and a half years ago. They do not need to play together that much to maintain their teamwork at a high level. Dyess was added a half season later. JMAX and Amir are going into their 4th year with us. Integrating Afflalo and Stuckey into the mix - pretty easy with such highly talented players.

Guys we have to get into the fold, Samb, Kwame Brown, Sharpe a bit, Mejia. Mejia has been hanging around a while, so he is not new to our ways. Its not that much homework for a season to have any excuse to overplay anybody for the sake of cohesiveness. We can play 12 guys significant minutes. (Though Sharpe would only be getting 400 minutes and Dyess just 720 minutes.)

For the season, our starters would mainly be the same. Our bench would always feature Afflalo, Stuckey, and Amir heavily and on most nights JMAX too. The fifth guy would vary from Dyess, to Samb, to Mejia, to Sharpe.

What is the main goal for all the above? To arrive at the playoffs fresh, deep, and with all the talents needed to win it all.

Some advantages from this: Opposing coaches will have a myriad of things to concern themselves with. The shotblocking of Samb. Keeping Amir and Mejia off the boards. Billups knocking down threes, Etc. Etc. Etc.

If we want to run, it will be on fresh legs.

If we want to shoot triples, it will be with fresh legs.

If we want to drive in, it will be on fresh legs.

If we are getting tired from running, so what, fresh legs can come in and spell you for awhile.

Oh, and remember that cohesiveness thing? Over rated. The more you practice plays in a game, the more heavily scouted they are.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
  #647 (permalink)  
Old 08-20-2008, 10:25 PM
BillLaimbeer's Avatar
BillLaimbeer BillLaimbeer is offline
Contributor
 
Last Online: Today 01:34 PM
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 3,431
Re: Rotations

Isn't Mejia playing in Italy?

Here is what I see as of today:

1 – CB, Stuck, Bynum
2 – Rip, Afflalo
3 – Tay, Sharpe
4 – Sheed, Max, Amir, Herrmann
5 – Brown, Dyess, Samb

11th and 12th players: Sharpe, Bynum

Street Clothes: Herrmann, Samb
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
  #648 (permalink)  
Old 08-20-2008, 11:02 PM
coynejeremy's Avatar
coynejeremy coynejeremy is offline
Member+
 
Last Online: Today 12:45 AM
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Provo, UT
Posts: 1,176

Re: Rotations

I have this great mental image of Curry forgetting to call timeout at the crucial moment at the end of the game where we lose HCA for the playoffs because he was holding his stopwatch, thinking, "OK, 3...2...1.......and Sharpe has played his 400th minute. Man, I'm good!"
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
  #649 (permalink)  
Old 08-20-2008, 11:59 PM
BillLaimbeer's Avatar
BillLaimbeer BillLaimbeer is offline
Contributor
 
Last Online: Today 01:34 PM
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 3,431
Re: Rotations

Quote:
Originally Posted by coynejeremy View Post
I have this great mental image of Curry forgetting to call timeout at the crucial moment at the end of the game where we lose HCA for the playoffs because he was holding his stopwatch, thinking, "OK, 3...2...1.......and Sharpe has played his 400th minute. Man, I'm good!"

No worries. Lindsey Hunter is in charge of the stopwatch.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
  #650 (permalink)  
Old 08-21-2008, 01:25 PM
Ernie the Slow Adult Ernie the Slow Adult is online now
Member+
 
Last Online: Today 07:28 PM
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 746

Re: Rotations

Quote:
Originally Posted by BillLaimbeer View Post
No worries. Lindsey Hunter is in charge of the stopwatch.
I like Lindsey, but he might be too jittery from his wife's uppers to work the stopwatch properly.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
Reply


Detroit Pistons Fan Community - PistonsForum.com > Detroit Pistons > Detroit Pistons General Discussion


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Cure the Sub Pattern to Fix The Rotations Delfino Delivers Detroit Pistons General Discussion 28 11-06-2008 08:33 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:31 PM.


Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
All rights remain the property of their respective owners