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Originally Posted by TaShawn I'm just going to go on a friendly rant here... .355 from 3-point land = ....

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I'm just going to go on a friendly rant here...

.355 from 3-point land = .533 from 2-point land. It's not a bad %... and of course, it is 2nd best on the team. If you don't want him taking that shot, then Sheed is your only other option since he's the only one with a better percentage at 36%. Rip is one of the best shooters in the game (and he spent all summer working on it once) and he even has a worse %.

I just think this is a case where the fans allow the actions of the coaching staff to shape their perception. MC thinks Herrmann is a better 3-point shooter, therefore he is, nevermind that it is verifiably false. MC's list of mistakes so far is a half mile long, so add this one to the list.

And even if Herrmann was a better 3-point shooter (which he's not), I still think Afflalo's defensive abilities would trump him. But in my book, AA is a SG and WH is a SF. This should not be an either/or situation.

If you're going to play Herrmann off the bench, then go with AI, AA, WH, AJ, and KB/Jm. If you're not going to play Herrmann, then go with Bynum, AI, AA, AJ, KB/JM.

And with Maxiell... no crap he's a bad defensive rebounder. He's only 6'5". What do they expect? Defensive rebounds are usually dominated by taller players while offensive rebounds are dominated by guys with quickness like Maxiell. With Max in the game our total rebounding is better than the other teams is. How much better do we need it for the coaches to be happy?

I'm telling ya, MC can't see the forest through the trees. He's in over his head. This team would have more wins right now if MC's chair would have had a blank clipboard sitting in it. Regular season wins are not hard to come by for a team as talented as this. Playoff wins are hard to come by.
I don't have the stats in front of me but the summer after Rip worked on the 3 ball he lead the league didn't he? well over 40 percent. If a player can't make 40 percent i really don't like the shot even with the EFG percent being over 50, long shots lead to long rebounds and alot of fast breaks the other way. thats a new one for you sir.... it seems that you get a lower percent of offensive rebounds on 3 point shots then 2 pointers... is that true or just me?

Oh i by all means agree i'd rather see AA on the floor, just saying whether its warrented or not teams stick to hermann and leave AA open.
So with Hermann on the floor there is more space for Stuckey and AI to penatrate to the hole and break down the defense.

As for max, if he can't figure out how to get more def rebounds then his 1 a game.... he's just never going to be more then a part time bench player end of story.


I'd be Running a 2nd team of AI AA hermann (he really does seem to play well with AI) Max and AJ to run havoc but i'm just a fan who doesn't know much. I have to agree with Currey on the bynam and AI backcourt just being to small there would be no defense played at all.

I think for the most part we agree, I'm just looking at it maybe from a bit bigger picture and how other teams seem to adjust to us, just not looking at the raw data from the games.
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Old 03-06-2009, 07:57 PM
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I don't have the stats in front of me but the summer after Rip worked on the 3 ball he lead the league didn't he? well over 40 percent. If a player can't make 40 percent i really don't like the shot even with the EFG percent being over 50, long shots lead to long rebounds and alot of fast breaks the other way. thats a new one for you sir.... it seems that you get a lower percent of offensive rebounds on 3 point shots then 2 pointers... is that true or just me?

Oh i by all means agree i'd rather see AA on the floor, just saying whether its warrented or not teams stick to hermann and leave AA open.
So with Hermann on the floor there is more space for Stuckey and AI to penatrate to the hole and break down the defense.

As for max, if he can't figure out how to get more def rebounds then his 1 a game.... he's just never going to be more then a part time bench player end of story.


I'd be Running a 2nd team of AI AA hermann (he really does seem to play well with AI) Max and AJ to run havoc but i'm just a fan who doesn't know much. I have to agree with Currey on the bynam and AI backcourt just being to small there would be no defense played at all.

I think for the most part we agree, I'm just looking at it maybe from a bit bigger picture and how other teams seem to adjust to us, just not looking at the raw data from the games.
It is simply not true that other teams leave Afflalo open more. What is the case, is that Herrmann is so slow, the other team easily catches up to him. (So someone not studying film would make the mistake of thinking that they are paying more attention to Herrmann.)
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I don't have the stats in front of me but the summer after Rip worked on the 3 ball he lead the league didn't he? well over 40 percent. If a player can't make 40 percent i really don't like the shot even with the EFG percent being over 50, long shots lead to long rebounds and alot of fast breaks the other way. thats a new one for you sir.... it seems that you get a lower percent of offensive rebounds on 3 point shots then 2 pointers... is that true or just me?

Oh i by all means agree i'd rather see AA on the floor, just saying whether its warrented or not teams stick to hermann and leave AA open.
So with Hermann on the floor there is more space for Stuckey and AI to penatrate to the hole and break down the defense.

As for max, if he can't figure out how to get more def rebounds then his 1 a game.... he's just never going to be more then a part time bench player end of story.


I'd be Running a 2nd team of AI AA hermann (he really does seem to play well with AI) Max and AJ to run havoc but i'm just a fan who doesn't know much. I have to agree with Currey on the bynam and AI backcourt just being to small there would be no defense played at all.

I think for the most part we agree, I'm just looking at it maybe from a bit bigger picture and how other teams seem to adjust to us, just not looking at the raw data from the games.
For quite a while now, if we get a win, Jason Maxiell is a big part of it.

To not play Jason for lack of defensive rebounding is a travesty.

How can you ignore all his offensive rebounds?

How can you ignore all the defensive rotating he does?

How can you ignore that he often is the perfect defender for the matchup at hand?

How can you ignore that he leads fast breaks, and gets back very well on transition D?

Jason Maxiell does not solely concentrate on rebounding on defense. He does a heck of a lot out there. You take the Cleveland game for instance earlier this season. Jason Maxiell's defense on pick and rolls won the game. It had Cleveland puzzled as to how to try to score.

Not playing Maxiell, is like not playing Rodman at small forward just because he could not make the midrange jumper.

Players can be winniers, and not fit the profile of the "perfect" player for a position.

Jason Maxiell is a winner. He should play 20 minutes per game, every game.
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For quite a while now, if we get a win, Jason Maxiell is a big part of it.

To not play Jason for lack of defensive rebounding is a travesty.

How can you ignore all his offensive rebounds?

How can you ignore all the defensive rotating he does?

How can you ignore that he often is the perfect defender for the matchup at hand?

How can you ignore that he leads fast breaks, and gets back very well on transition D?

Jason Maxiell does not solely concentrate on rebounding on defense. He does a heck of a lot out there. You take the Cleveland game for instance earlier this season. Jason Maxiell's defense on pick and rolls won the game. It had Cleveland puzzled as to how to try to score.

Not playing Maxiell, is like not playing Rodman at small forward just because he could not make the midrange jumper.

Players can be winniers, and not fit the profile of the "perfect" player for a position.

Jason Maxiell is a winner. He should play 20 minutes per game, every game.
Lee, the Cleveland game was 3 1/2 months ago. Surely if he was as vital a cog as you say he would have another game in that time that rivaled this one?
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I'd be Running a 2nd team of AI AA hermann (he really does seem to play well with AI) Max and AJ to run havoc but i'm just a fan who doesn't know much. I have to agree with Currey on the bynam and AI backcourt just being to small there would be no defense played at all.
I like it. The basic concept that seems to be logical is that you can put AI out there with guys who play defense, get offensive rebounds, and don't look to score. AI can function in a chaotic environment and these guys create pure chaos. That replay from the overhead cam of Amir and Maxiell keeping the ball alive on the offensive glass with 4 tips before Maxiell tried that insane dunk attempt is the perfect example.

But Max and Amir better realize that they are going to get some really crazy passes from point blank range in the paint from AI. Gotta be ready for that and also be prepared to dunk back his misses as he takes defenders out of position.

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For quite a while now, if we get a win, Jason Maxiell is a big part of it.

To not play Jason for lack of defensive rebounding is a travesty.

How can you ignore all his offensive rebounds?

How can you ignore all the defensive rotating he does?

How can you ignore that he often is the perfect defender for the matchup at hand?

How can you ignore that he leads fast breaks, and gets back very well on transition D?

Jason Maxiell does not solely concentrate on rebounding on defense. He does a heck of a lot out there. You take the Cleveland game for instance earlier this season. Jason Maxiell's defense on pick and rolls won the game. It had Cleveland puzzled as to how to try to score.

Not playing Maxiell, is like not playing Rodman at small forward just because he could not make the midrange jumper.

Players can be winniers, and not fit the profile of the "perfect" player for a position.

Jason Maxiell is a winner. He should play 20 minutes per game, every game.
Well said. I would only see his lack of defensive rebounding as an isssue if 1) the team's defensive rebounding suffered with him in the game and 2) if it looked like he wasn't giving effort. We rebound fine with him in there, even on the defensive glass. So, he's helping somehow. And in many ways offensive rebounding is more important. The vast majority of defensive rebounds are uncontested or lightly contested. If Max doesn't get it, someone else on the team probably will. But on the offensive glass, either he gets it, or nobody does. And every one he gets effectively erases a missed shot for us.

I like Max and Amir both for these same reasons. And my desire to see Amir in the starting lineup isn't really Amir based. My 2nd choice would be to see Maxiell in the starting lineup. I think at this stage, McDyess is better than both of them, but I think the team is better if we split up Sheed and Dyess and split up Max and Amir. I don't really care how it's done. Saving Dyess for the playoffs still seems smart to me though, so that is why I'd prefer Sheed to start. And between Amir and Max, I'd go with Max off the bench so that he's matched up against slightly shorter players. But these preferences are minor.

Since it appears that this scenario will not play out now, my new hope is that AI + Max + Amir is going to be killer.

And I'm also hesitant to see Bynum get burried again. He seems very comfortable on the floor. He is like a slightly smaller and quicker version of Stuckey. They both do the same things and similar range issues. Bynum is quicker while Stuck is stronger, but they use it to get the rim all the same. Hopefully Bynum/AI/AA/Max/Amir can work when we can get away with the size. AI/AA/Herrmann/Max/Amir when we need more beef.
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I think Maxiel is the only reserve that can give us some reliable offense at those positions. Plus he is a good defender.

Curry is getting close. Cut Herman and we will set until AI gets back. Nothing Herman can do that AA cannot. AA is even a better 3-pt shooter.
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I think Maxiel is the only reserve that can give us some reliable offense at those positions. Plus he is a good defender.

Curry is getting close. Cut Herman and we will set until AI gets back. Nothing Herman can do that AA cannot. AA is even a better 3-pt shooter.
Afflalo cannot finger roll.
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That swooping finger roll last game by Herrmann could have been a classic. Tough to bank it with topspin though.
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That swooping finger roll last game by Herrmann could have been a classic. Tough to bank it with topspin though.

Yea, that was a beauty. He started the move about 20 feet from the hoop.
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Yea, that was a beauty. He started the move about 20 feet from the hoop.
Hermann's hands are so big. The possibilities are endless.
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