diop couldn't hold darko's jock strap. darko showed this earlier in the season. darko has better offensive game and better passing ability. he's quicker too. whatever you call him he would be great to have coming off the pistons bench. darko hits free throws. you also can't play zone off of darko cause he'll burn you with the J. lee357 called it when he said we'd have a hard time against miami without darko. whether you like to admit it or not darko plays well against miami.

I'll give you that. He really wiped the floor all shiny and dry with his shorts when Shaq was knocking him around.

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Nov 13 LW Milan Lucic had an active night. He scored his first goal in eight games since his Oct. 25 hat trick and also pounded Michael Komisarek in a third-period fight. Lucic cut his hand in a fight with Michael Komisarek. "I'll be fine," he said. "(X-rays are) negative, but there's so many broken bones in there from before you can't really tell."

everybody gets knocked around by shaq. he does no worse than ben against shaq. the difference is darko will make shaq work on defense. darko will also hit his free throws when he gets fouled.

he dunked on zo. who was stuffs your boy ben's dunks on a regular basis.

faint praise?

i have a great shot if you pass it to me and don't ask me to move.

whether it's rip or evans or delk or someone else, i'm afraid that against miami we're probably going to need to you to move AND have a great shot.

And you seem to think that playing Delfino on Wade is the solution? Where does Rip play? On Walker? Maybe we should just scrap the starters so Delfino can play Wade and redeem all of his adamant fans.

You are the one who introduced massaging larger egoes. Remember?

Rather than argue semantics, why not present tangible examples? Do you have any?

I have no idea where you are going with this.

Shaq never gets "punished" for having a rough go or playing with low energy. Non-performance is dribbling the ball off your foot against Toronto. It's bricking your Js and FTs. It's getting cute with one handed dunks, but instead of finishing like Tayshaun, getting blocked by the heel.

I like Davis. I wished he would play. But he hasn't. Sure he's a professional but to expect him to come in and play now, is......

Good list. I like how Delfino gets onto some teams as a 2 and some as a 3. He's a 3. He's incapable of shooting efficiently enough to be a 2.

No. I view Delfino as a poor man's Carlos Delfino. It's laughable that you draw any comparisons to Corey Maggette. Maggette has a post game. Maggette is a great perimeter shooter. Maggette is a solid FT shooter, particularly in the clutch. If Delfino played like half of Maggette, he would be in the rotation.

No, they didn't have to be. You attacked my original post to Dave, in which I was trying to defuse the continuing madness that there are all of these magical starters sitting on our bench, being frozen out of having All-Star careers.

I'll get to the rest later.

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Nov 13 LW Milan Lucic had an active night. He scored his first goal in eight games since his Oct. 25 hat trick and also pounded Michael Komisarek in a third-period fight. Lucic cut his hand in a fight with Michael Komisarek. "I'll be fine," he said. "(X-rays are) negative, but there's so many broken bones in there from before you can't really tell."

I like Tayshaun Prince. I'm not president of his fan club. I don't think he's an All-Star, or even that he's a great defender. I do think that he's overrated by many people. But he works hard, he's smart, and he has a skillset that is useful to the team. He's a fantastic role player. He's not a star, and just because I frequently try to tear down the Tayshaun-star construct that some people have doesn't mean I don't like him as the role player that he is.

But the roles that he can play are not needed, or even helpful, for the Pistons to take advantage of every situation.

Tayshaun would start on any NBA team. If he played for almost any team except those still standing or the Spurs, he would probably be the first or second option. Delfino would still come off the bench.

kerr and paxson and others made careers of just shooting the ball when passed to them. mo can do more than just be a spot up shooter. he can defend and he is at least active on the offensive boards. rip barely ventures near the boards. i just think that if rip is missing what's the difference than having evans in there missing???

It had to get better. BBen is out playing Dyess right now.
And Tay is making his opportunities. He is the only one having consistant success penetrating.

Antoine Walker is a power forward. Tayshaun Prince cannot guard Antoine Walker. Carlos Delfino cannot guard Antoine Walker. Maurice Evans cannot guard Antoine Walker. I don't know if Rip Hamilton can guard him, but I doubt it. The player on the roster best suited to guarding Antoine Walker is Rasheed Wallace. The perimeter player in the starting lineup best suited to guard him is probably Chauncey Billups. Delfino on Wade is a possible solution to a real problem, adamant fans or no.
Because I don't want to stoop to that level.
You're drawing a distinction that doesn't exist.
Exactly the point of this thread.
Incapable? Even if you're God, I trust my eyes. He has good form on his jumpshot.
Maggette has a post game? I've watched him play for years, and I've never seen many signs of that. Delfino has a limited post game, but nobody who's watched either of them would seriously call them post-up scorers. Maggette is a very, very streaky perimeter shooter, just as Delfino is. Maggette is a higher-percentage free throw shooter than Delfino is. They're both excellent rebounders for their size. I might give Delfino the advantage in defense and passing, and I certainly would hope he has a higher basketball IQ, but their slashing games are remarkably similar. And the "he would be in the rotation" is at the crux of our disagreement. I don't have a high enough opinion of Flip to believe that would be the case.
Precisely what I mean by overrated. He isn't a first option on any team in the NBA. I'm not certain he's a second option on any team in the NBA.