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The Low · #81 (**permalink**) 05-31-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by anakin

...But jump shooting going dead cold, not just from 20 ft, was not expected IMO.

It is expected when you spend 75% of your offense working to get jumpshots and not even making attempts to get into the paint. At least last year, even when we didn't have a dominant post scorer, Rip and Chauncey would drive the lane continuously. That was part of LB's offense, but now is a distant memory. They now have the green light to camp on the perimeter and run off screens that get them farther away from the paint. So, now they aren't even drawing fouls to get to the line or having the ability to dish to Ben or Rasheed for dunks (see Rip's increased assist totals last season). So, now when you go cold, you get NO points because you're jumpshots aren't falling and you have not worked on getting into the paint AT ALL this season. That's why you get blazed 50-16 PIP.

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Originally Posted by anakin

Could an LB type guy motivated them differently, utlilized time outs more effectively , yes but not enough to over come an 8 game stretch of invisible offense.

Unfortunately, this couldn't be farther from the truth. The difference now is that when we go cold, they pull away. An "LB type guy" would at least make guys get stops when we went cold so the other team never got out of reach. We no longer get stops. I don't want to hear anymore of this "the defense isn't the problem, it our offense". We got fastbreak buckets because we got stops and rebounds and in turn pushed the ball. That 14 to 16 pts of transition scoring is non-existent which is precisely why we go from about 94 pts / game to 80 pts / game. The trasition offense has disappeared. That comes from stops. It doesn't matter that the opponent only scores 85 because they are getting high percentage, uncontested shots (see again the 50-16 PIP ass kicking & Wade shooting damn near 70% from the field, NOT THE FT LINE, THE FIELD). This is a product of not getting stops or challenging in the paint...things the previous regime FOCUSED on and didn't just say, "Our guys know how to do that.."

The Low · #82 (**permalink**) 05-31-2006, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by themicrowave

Larry would have taken us out of winning and into the lottery.

We agree to disagree, considering we spent more seasons in the NBA Finals with LB than we did in the lottery.

Darth Tater · #83 (**permalink**) 05-31-2006, 04:18 PM

Fault apportionment:

Flip:: 25 percent: (1) Poor play calling, (2)lack of using the bench properly (so he absorbs part of their blame).

Bench: 10 percent: They haven't performed well, but Flip never gave them much opportunity to flourish during the season. (No chicken or the egg arguments allowed here...it's my post, so there)!

Ben: 20 percent: Poor offense & lousy defense. Free throws....nuff said.

Billups:10 percent: inconsistent

Sheed: 20 percent: Big mouth started this whole thing. Ankle injury only partially pardons him.

Prince: 5 percent: overall he has performed.

Rip: 5 percent: I wasn't sure what to do with him. lol.

180:5 percent : Spending his time distracting us with muppets rather than letting us focus on solutions to help the team.

OK, now everyone can focus on hoping the Pistons can eek out one more victory before being put sleepy bye.

roscoe36 · #84 (**permalink**) 05-31-2006, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Low

We agree to disagree, considering we spent more seasons in the NBA Finals with LB than we did in the lottery.

We should agree that you are wrong, and I am the more handsome. Anything less would be uncivilized.

G-man · #85 (**permalink**) 05-31-2006, 06:12 PM

The Pistons are still playing better D than anyone in the playoffs, (under Flip) whether it's "timely D" is open for debate. Look at the Suns! That's a +17.4 differential compared to the Pistons. Don't want to be a fatigued team playing the Suns in the Finals...

Team Defense (Pistons still leading in stingy D)
1 Detroit Pistons 88.8
2 Indiana Pacers 93.0
3 Cleveland Cavaliers 93.5
4 Miami Heat 93.8
5 Denver Nuggets 95.0
6 NJ Nets 95.1
7 Dallas Mavericks 96.6
13 Phoenix Suns 105.6

Team Offense (Pistons got no pop, better find it tonight in added assists)
1 Phoenix Suns 108.3
2 LA Clippers 105.7
3 SanAntonio Spurs 103.1
4 Washington Wizards 101.7
5 Dallas Mavericks 101.6
7 Miami Heat 98.9
12 Detroit Pistons 92.6

Team Scoring Differential (Miami is for real but is less than a basket over Detroit at +1.6)
1 Miami Heat 5.1
2 Dallas Mavericks 5.0
3 Detroit Pistons 3.8
4 LA Clippers 3.8
5 Phoenix Suns 2.7

Team Rebounding Difference (Board Crashers - Clips Lakers & Mavs at the top!)
1 LA Clippers 7.1
2 LA Lakers 6.9
3 Dallas Mavericks 6.4
4 Miami Heat 3.3
8 Detroit Pistons -0.5
15 Phoenix Suns -8.6

Team Fouls (consider the +4 avg Miami / Det and how the whistles worked on Tuesday)..hmmm

1 Detroit Pistons 20.75
2 Phoenix Suns 21.44
3 Washington Wizards 22.67
4 LA Lakers 22.86
8 Miami Heat 24.13
11 Dallas Mavericks 25.27

Team Assist Differential (Pistons need a 24 assist night)
1 Phoenix Suns 6.39
2 NJ Nets 4.55
3 SanAntonio Spurs 3.31
4 Detroit Pistons 2.06
6 Dallas Mavericks -0.67
7 Miami Heat -1.00

Team Blocks (Mia/Det virtual tie)
1 LA Clippers 5.92
2 SanAntonio Spurs 5.54
3 Washington Wizards 5.50
4 Dallas Mavericks 4.67
5 Phoenix Suns 4.50
7 Miami Heat 4.40
10 Detroit Pistons 4.19

Whats it all mean? I got too much time on my hands..

anakin · #86 (**permalink**) 05-31-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Low

It is expected when you spend 75% of your offense working to get jumpshots and not even making attempts to get into the paint. At least last year, even when we didn't have a dominant post scorer, Rip and Chauncey would drive the lane continuously. That was part of LB's offense, but now is a distant memory. They now have the green light to camp on the perimeter and run off screens that get them farther away from the paint. So, now they aren't even drawing fouls to get to the line or having the ability to dish to Ben or Rasheed for dunks (see Rip's increased assist totals last season). So, now when you go cold, you get NO points because you're jumpshots aren't falling and you have not worked on getting into the paint AT ALL this season. That's why you get blazed 50-16 PIP.

Unfortunately, this couldn't be farther from the truth. The difference now is that when we go cold, they pull away. An "LB type guy" would at least make guys get stops when we went cold so the other team never got out of reach. We no longer get stops. I don't want to hear anymore of this "the defense isn't the problem, it our offense". We got fastbreak buckets because we got stops and rebounds and in turn pushed the ball. That 14 to 16 pts of transition scoring is non-existent which is precisely why we go from about 94 pts / game to 80 pts / game. The trasition offense has disappeared. That comes from stops. It doesn't matter that the opponent only scores 85 because they are getting high percentage, uncontested shots (see again the 50-16 PIP ass kicking & Wade shooting damn near 70% from the field, NOT THE FT LINE, THE FIELD). This is a product of not getting stops or challenging in the paint...things the previous regime FOCUSED on and didn't just say, "Our guys know how to do that.."

Low you got stop being a LB slappy

Last year's team barely got by an injured Wade and Shaq and the supporting cast has been improved along with a better HC. The players got to look in the mirror. When are you going to start holding Sheed, CB etc. accountable for their play. Does Flip have to teach Sheed to post up? Maybe they all need to go back to bball 101. We could be discussing this forever, but safe to say we disagree on whether Flip or the players are the bigger blame.

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