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Originally Posted by ahb I'm with themicrowave on virtually all of that. I'm not seeing quite where people ...

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Old 06-02-2006, 02:08 PM
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I'm with themicrowave on virtually all of that.

I'm not seeing quite where people think Maxiell is a scorer, though. He's about as much of a post-up scorer as Garnett is - turnaround jumper or nothing, and he hasn't proven he can get that TAJ off against power forwards or centers in this league. And, 6-6 or not, he is a big man and not a 3.

Still don't see why that should limit him in spotting Tay. Don't need to be a big scorer, just someone who can fill in the back up role. I think JMax can drop 10 points if given some consistent minutes.
They got to start him somewhere and he is a SF in height and PF in body. I think he'd do a better job guarding other SF than true PF who will have a distinct height advantage. Yeah, I know about his long arms.

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This is one of those cases were I sometimes wonder if the person I am arguing with has the historical perspective on the player in question to make a statement like that.

Sheed was never hyped here as our go-to guy. Except for 2 seasons, he really wasn't the go-to guy in Portland. That's part of why the fans and media turned on him there, and as a result, we won a championship with him and have been the most dominant team in the East while Portland keeps looking at Zach Randolph and wondering when he will become Elton Brand as they shuffle through lottery picks. Again, if you're looking for raw #s, he's never going to satisfy you. And yet GMs and coaches around the league recognize him as a bonafide game changer. Why do you think that NJ was so pissed we traded for him?
Rasheed is a game changer...WHEN HE WANTS TO BE. Ever seen Batman Begins? It's not who you are it's what you do that defines you. I'm not asking Sheed to put up KG #'s, I just want him to be all that he can be. Play hard, work from the inside out, get high % shots. That's all I want from Sheed...consistancy. He has disappointed me time and time again.

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He's turned numerous games with his shooting. "Don't leave me!" ring a bell?

He made a mistake on Horry, but was it any more heinous than CBill throwing up transition treys in the 4th quarter of Game 7? Win as a team, lose as a team.

As far as this Heat series, he's playing on a bad wheel. Still came up with a steal, 2 blocks and some key boards while backing up Tayshaun with Zo in Game 5.

If you're looking for KG numbers, go follow KG. Team building is not taking the most statistically impressive guys and loading them up on one squad.
Calling Sheed clutch is an insult to all the great clutch players. You only need one hand and five fingers to count the number of clutch performances he has had. Yeah he can hit the occasional 3pt, but when was the last time he had a double digit 4th quarter?


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You gunna matchup in the halfcourt small? You have to run to maximize a lineup like that. To run, you need a bonafide floor general. Amare and Marion weren't jack with Marbury (who is a lot closer to CB's game than CB is to Nash).
We are talking about replacing Ben and Sheed with KG and a smaller player do to lack of a true center. Our half court offense would be even better with KG and we wouldn't be playing 4 on 5 because Ben would be replaced with a compitant offensive player.


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If it's not about jealousy or spite, why do you keep bringing up Darko when talking about Sheed? Why do you keep bringing up Orlando when we are talking about changes to the Pistons?

Both you and bball jay keep grinding the same axe (going on 2 years now). One of you does Sheed vs. Darko, the other Ben vs. Darko. Either way, it's sad. Darko is gone. He is probably never ever coming back. No matter how much y'all complain, one of, if not, both of Sheed and Ben will be here next year and there is nothing you can do about it. So why not move on, and quit bringing up Orlando's season finish, like it has any relevance on where we are today. Last time I checked, the guys winning games for them were Hedo, Howard and Nelson. Arroyo and DMC were complimentary not cataclysmic (sp?!). That team got better when they traded Stevie Franchise and sat Grant Hill down.
I keep bringing up Darko because I can. Venting is my right as a Piston fan.

Keep telling yourself Darko had little to do with Orlando's improved record. He had as much to do with their success as McDyess and Lindsey Hunter have to us if not more. He is only 21 by the way. We are on top of the hill starting down the trail. Darko is on the same trail heading up- it won't be long before we cross paths and he will be looking down on us. That's what makes me mad. We lost our chance to remain on the Hill. We can only hope that Orlando pick lands us something decent.
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Old 06-02-2006, 02:30 PM
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ggazoo... i hear you. his fg% stinks, but with a better team that might change.

we need front court help either way. we need a banger down there however you slice it. Sheed is a 3 in a 4's body, in my opinion.

if we win tonight and Sunday then it's all a moot point. J-Max might be the wild card Post presence that we need anyhow.

I'm not married to my idea in any way. Just throwing it out there. But I can't see trading sheed for any 4 in the league. He's better.
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Re: Trading Rasheed?

I want to share a pet peeve.

The obsession with height.

Gheorghe Muresan 7' 7"
Chuck Nevitt 7' 5"

All-Stars? Icons? Champions?

For every tall player who excelled, there has been 2 small players who have done equally as well.

You would think Detroit fans would know that heart is bigger than height when our best player in franchise history was small.
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This whole thread is BS. This team deserves to get beaten and stopped before dismantling. You can flush this whole thread if we pull out this con. fin. I think it's gotten to rough for some of you. Can't deal will the fear of a couple elimination games.
Let's see how well they go to work tonite.

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i agree with TFD. this thread is silly.

can we wait until detroit is knocked-out before we trade away the starters, please?
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This whole thread is BS. This team deserves to get beaten and stopped before dismantling. You can flush this whole thread if we pull out this con. fin. I think it's gotten to rough for some of you. Can't deal will the fear of a couple elimination games.
Let's see how well they go to work tonite.
I know we are going to win tonight. That doesn't change anything. This team still isn't good enough to win a championship. They are just playing with you right now- you just can't see it.

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Yeah TFD! Fall in line with this thread's thinking, OR GET OUT! We don't want any logic or reason around these parts!

(For the record, I agree with Micro's assestment of trade proposals #1-6).
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Re: Trading Rasheed?

I've got 37,620,000 reasons why Rasheed won't be traded. That's 11,400,000 next year, 12.540,00 the following year, and 13,680,000 in 2008-09. Rasheed is being overpaid and I don't see anyone else (except possibly Isiah) wanting to overpay on the 3 years left of that contract.

Sheed's disappearance in meaningful playoff games doesn't help his street value either.
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I've got 37,620,000 reasons why Rasheed won't be traded. That's 11,400,000 next year, 12.540,00 the following year, and 13,680,000 in 2008-09. Rasheed is being overpaid and I don't see anyone else (except possibly Isiah) wanting to overpay on the 3 years left of that contract.

Sheed's disappearance in meaningful playoff games doesn't help his street value either.
Very true Bill, but fortunately for Isiah, he won't have to worry about Sheed's playoff performance since the Knicks won't be there any time soon.
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