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Point Forwards and other non-traditional playmaking

Has a point forward scheme ever been successful? We do have a number of guys that can see the floor and pass pretty well but is the concept of a point forward/center inherently flawed?
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Re: Point Forwards and other non-traditional playmaking

It's hard to make it work consistently, but there have been some teams who won while using it on occasion. Pippen did a decent amount of point-forwarding for the Bulls title teams. He was usually the one who ran the fastbreak for them, more than anyone else, including Jordan.
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Re: Point Forwards and other non-traditional playmaking

That's the only one I can think of off the top of my head. Pax / Armstrong / Harper would all bring the ball up sometimes, but generally only after made baskets and even then only part of the time.
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Re: Point Forwards and other non-traditional playmaking

What about playing "medium ball" with 4 forwards and a tall shooting guard?

We would be big in the guard spots and small in the center position.

Point forward- Tay
Shooting guard- Rip
Small forward- Delf
Medium forward- JMax
Power forward- Sheed
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And with that line up playing zone the defense would be pretty good.
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Re: Point Forwards and other non-traditional playmaking

What does Dirk Now. of the Mavs play?
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Re: Point Forwards and other non-traditional playmaking

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Has a point forward scheme ever been successful? We do have a number of guys that can see the floor and pass pretty well but is the concept of a point forward/center inherently flawed?
my memory may be flawed here, but i seem to remember the late 70s early 80s milwaukee bucks making it work pretty well (don nelson coaching, paul pressey at point forward)...does anybody else remember that?
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Re: Point Forwards and other non-traditional playmaking

Depends on what you mean by point and forward.

But I don't see any inherent flaw in having someone other than the smallest player on your team initiate the offensive sets, or even bring the ball upcourt.

I am not at all convinced that Tayshaun Prince has the handle to be an effective primary ballhandler, although he could run the halfcourt offense probably better than Murray, Hunter, or Blalock - but not Hamilton, and possibly not Delfino. (did that make any sense?)

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Re: Point Forwards and other non-traditional playmaking

I don't think Tayshaun should be initiating anything. It doesn't take Magic Johnson to swing a pass to the next open guy on the arc.

When I see Tayshaun dribble, it scares me. When the clock is under 10 seconds and he starts doing that swing the ball around in a circle (wax on, wax off) in front of the defender, eventually getting him to bite, but not taking advantage and driving past him, only to jack up a bad shot, it makes me scream.

I prefer Delfino in this role because once he passes, he actually starts moving and becoming part of the sequence of screens and cuts that compromise the set offense.
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When I see Tayshaun dribble, it scares me. When the clock is under 10 seconds and he starts doing that swing the ball around in a circle (wax on, wax off) in front of the defender, eventually getting him to bite, but not taking advantage and driving past him, only to jack up a bad shot, it makes me scream.
I was hoping that was more an effect of the situations in which he got the ball, rather than an inability to run an offense. He seems to make pretty good decisions on the break.
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