Okay. If (and all things point to it happening) Webber signs with us, with one move, how can we jump start our team and prepare for the future? I can't find the link, but the article stated that the Raptors were asking about a Dice for MoPete trade and I believe that move alone could help us on so many levels.

1. Dice, although an important piece, will not opt out next year thus eating more cap dollars. True, I'd rather it be NM traded, but this is who the Raptors said they were interested in. We'll have to worry about NM some other day or with some other trade.

2. we now have a (serviceable defensive) backup at the 3 spot ('Fino is a better 2 then 3 and that's that) and CD and MP on the floor spreads the defense allows the bigs to play big and the point to penetrate and pop.

3. we now have a boat load of expiring contracts (good for players looking to showcase themselves) for next year's goal of resigning Billups.

1st team: CB, RH, TP, RW and CW
2nd team: LH, CD, MP, JM and DD
3rd team: WB, FM, RD, AJ and NM

playoffs: 1st and 2nd with FM and NM

Now: if you can trade NM (who I really don't have a problem with) for Earl Watson (in case CB does a Ben Wallace) and FM (who I really do have a problem with) for a 3rd string center

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Great post dozero.

1. Mo Pete's expiring is sweetness. We can re-sign him without using an exception, or we can drop the money off the books a year early (super tempting for Bill Davidson's accountant, Joe Dumars).

2. Mo Pete can play 30 minutes per night if needed. He was until recently the league iron man.

Chris McCoskey keeps saying that Flip Murray is done in Detroit. I definitely think he will be moved.

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I get that impression, too. I know that Tay "took back" what he said about chemistry problems in the locker room, but I suspect Murray is the cause. McCoskey pretty much ripped Murray in that Wojo/Stoney interview, sarcastically referring to him as "Mr. Effervescence" and saying he sulks a lot. Bad for team morale, Mr. Murray is.

I am on board for another trade once Chris Webber is really a Piston. I like Dale Davis a lot but basically he's a 3rd string center that has been viewed as our designated Shaq defender if the Pistons get far enough in the playoffs to meet Miami. Dice is a fan favorite with his always happy disposition, sweet shot and great effort when he's on his game. The key in my opinion is to have that wonderful team chemistry back that made them the Pistons, always clicking on all gears. Sheed admitted as much last night in his post game comments he's very unhappy. He's comes late to practice, his body language is just shouting out he's a whipped dog lately. So why is he unhappy and why is the chemistry off right now? I would trade off the player or players that have mucked up the chemistry and really since we're not in the locker room with the boys I am speculating that Flip Murray doesn't have great chemistry with Sheed. I was watching the game last night and when Murray made a really good play late in the game (slashing layup that led also to a foul), none of the players were rushing up to him at the timeout to really congratulate him and say great play. So Murray needs to be traded and packaged with a strong piece and that would be Dale Davis if it gets us back a backup point guard. If we do trade Davis and Murray for another shooting guard/small forward that doesn't solve all our problems because that just makes Delfino irrelevant since he would be backing up Tay only and that's good for 8 minutes a game since Tay logs major minutes. I do have faith that Joe Dumars will do what it takes to make trades and not bankrupt the future. On my list are untouchables that should not be traded unless we got back some franchise players (i.e. Jason Kidd). Those untouchables right now are Tay, Rip, Maxiell, Chauncey and Amir Johnson.

Hey, I like Dice, too! Professional and all that. But three things stand out: 1. of our bigs, he's the most requested, 2. he's not a smart defender (way too many tick tack fouls) and 3. Davis is a better intimidation/rebounder in the post. And we need that in the paint now that Ben is gone.

Now, is Sheed a problem? I'd have to say yes. However, his antics and salary make him a difficult trade. So, you're going to have to try and maximize the situation with the player. Lower his minutes and get him to buy in to playing harder for that 30 he's on the floor until Flip is removed from coaching and Bill Lambeer is offered the job.

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DD seems to be gone and I think that he will help any team that acquires him. Playing 20-25 minutes should get him into 10-10 areas. The same area that CWebb will bring. Then why not play him more and forget all this drama?

Here’s my take:

• There is no team chemistry, because you have no leader. Does having three captains say anything to you? You have an established vet team that no longer has fire to win and bring it on a daily basis. The east is so weak, that getting there merely means going through the motions and letting lucky breaks determine (depth and experience) the final outcome. Besides, CWebb will give the fans a sense of anticipation. JD needed a shakeup and this was ready made. A vet at the cheapest rate possible. Fan memories (good and bad) creating new excitement, meaning more fan energy which is the only thing that will pick this team up. This will be baggage easily moved near the end or after the season.
• Naz is solid and unspectacular. At age 29, with a new a new contract (30mil over 5 years) means another bargain for JD. His role will be around 20 minutes and strictly as a backup…which is what he is at this stage of his career. It seems unlikely he will be moved unless there are attitude issues. This is not a contract that hurts JD at all, whether he keeps him or decides to move him in a package deal. Probably a late season or summer trade deal.
• Dyess is 32 and going nowhere. Very similar to DD, solid as backup and his role has been diminishing since bench youngsters need more time (JMax). Good trading material and he can help a lot of clubs immediately. Should be gone with the first-second trade before the deadline.
• The second trade will have more effect, because is will involve tempo. BWells is my pick and I have stated reasons elsewhere. This move will hurt JD more because he will have to give up more. Again, this will not hurt the big picture moves when JD gets serious about acquiring a center and signing CB. Wells gains, because he can once again, showcase his talents, and he will be the key that gets the Pistons get into the finals. RMurray will be expendable and let us hope that it will not cost us too much with a probable draft pick sent along with him (or with the others).

Two trades will keep everyone busy. People that might be moved: Flip, DD, Dyess and maybe another….depending on the depth of the trades.

Are we all having fun?

Go Pistons!

I say no way they should trade Dale Davis. Dale Davis has a lot left yet, even at around 38 years old. Just a couple of years back, he saved Indiana's year for them by coming back and playing center. Dale Davis, above all, can get over to play help out D-without fouling. Its a lot more valuable than a lot of people think. And he cleans the glass well, being someone who pushes others out of the way, not the other way around.

Nobody saw the Sheed comming until it was upon us. Could Joseph be working out a deal to bring (dare I say) Mike James back home.

Dyess + Murray + Blalock = $7.4M MJ = $5.9M.

It gives the Twolves potential cap relief, a young PG, and a starting quality PF to go along side KG.

KG is approaching a player option year and Minni ought to be doing something to convince him to stay.

I totally agree Lee. Not to mention, he is the Pistons only tough guy. This team needs someone who is willing to win with Maximum Effort instead of just relying on talent.

If we're going to move one of our trade assets, it needs to be for a legit point guard.