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Originally Posted by bball jay dmc was a great pick. he is what we need for years to come. sheed ...

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Old 04-04-2007, 05:30 PM
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dmc was a great pick. he is what we need for years to come. sheed is aging, dice is aging, dale davis has aged, jmax is too small, amir is a small forward. he's a big guy that can defend duncan, bosh, j. oneal, okafur, okur, kaman. he's the best defender out of all of those guys mentioned that makes him a bad pick. he's also an unselfish team player. he was perfect for the pistons and would be perfect for them to make a run at now during free agency. he's doing well in orlando even though he's put on weight to play out of position on the low blocks. dmc was not a bad pick.

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Cuz the pistons blew it. If darko is awesome detroit blew it. If darko sucks detroit blew it. Bottom line Darko was a bust for detroit. Overall, its incomplete but he has some serious growing to do cuz of the guys picked after him.
i will agree detroit blew it though. so that makes the organization more of a bust than the player to me.
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Just thinking about the Darko situation and how Joakim Noah could have been the #1 pick last year based on his freshman year at Florida. Is there anyway that Noah would have escaped the "bust" tag as a top pick? It appears as though his game is not nearly as good as everyone thought it was.

So for his sake, he is probably better off getting drafted > 5th and avoiding a lot of unnessesary pressure.

Most of the criticism of Darko seems to be caused by the fact that he was a 2nd pick. He may be a bust for a 2nd pick, but he is surely not a bust overall. If he would have been picked 8th say, his reputation would not be so tarnished.

In that scenario, Darko would have gone to the Bucks and received a ton of PT while the iron was still hot. Then, Milwaukee wouldn't have been looking for a big man in the 2005 draft, and they could have grabbed Chris Paul. Alternate histories in the multiverse.
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I'm not sure we've touched on this before, but is a guy really a good draft choice if you have to use the #2 pick on him knowing full well that he isn't going to be able/allowed to contribute for at least 4 years or so?
so basically you think we should have traded the # 2 pick?? because under that thought process nobody would have been a good pick. honestly i don't think joe thought darko wouldn't play any basketball his first 2.5 years as a piston.
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I mean, even if Darko was on par with Wade, Mello, or Bosh right now, would it really have been worth it to wait this long?
yes. we already won a championship with darko. if darko had been used correctly we would have won more. if anything if we had kept darko and he was on par with bosh and mello he would have saved us from the nazr signing and we could have traded ben instead of losing him for nothing.

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I mean, even if you THOUGHT a player was going to be the next Jordan...is it worth the wait & the risk?

4 FREAKIN" years is a LONG time!
yes. but we were champions and in the finals and ecf. i think of any team in the league we had the luxury of waiting for a guy to become great.
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yes. but we were champions and in the finals and ecf. i think of any team in the league we had the luxury of waiting for a guy to become great.
I think this reasoning has been exposed as flawed. You can never have too many good players, all fighting for playing time. This idea of socking away a player for a rainy day was passive. Too passive.
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I think this reasoning has been exposed as flawed. You can never have too many good players, all fighting for playing time. This idea of socking away a player for a rainy day was passive. Too passive.
It is still being implemented. Acker/Amir... Dale Davis.
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I think this reasoning has been exposed as flawed. You can never have too many good players, all fighting for playing time. This idea of socking away a player for a rainy day was passive. Too passive.
yeah. the problem is that guys don't fight for playing time. the starting 6 minutes were all but written in stone. no matter how well the reserve plays or how bad the starter plays the minutes stay the same. i don't agree with the stashing a player away method that the pistons used and still use. i just think that if anybody could wait for a guy to develop 4 years it was us.
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I believe the picks have been right on in the value that where they were taken. The few that have not worked out are about right in line with the average, maybe even above average for the numbers league wide.

On Darko, what has been the bane of JD's overseeing this team? Coaches not using the players right or developing them right. Carlisle too conservative. LB never giving the young guys a chance. Now it's Flip not utilizing the bench (young players) enough and burning out the starters. Just an interesting comparison here: This is the exact same argument that Millen has had with his coaches over the same amount of time. Difference is the quality of the veterans from free agency has made the Pistons winners. But have come up short when needed after the one championship due to burning out the starters.

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I think TaS is dead on. Don't be surprised if Amir is packaged for say...E Brand or like. As we stay VETERAN.
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I think TaS is dead on. Don't be surprised if Amir is packaged for say...E Brand or like. As we stay VETERAN.
Keep that thought. What some might begin to realize is the cultural and organizational style on how this club operates.
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so basically you think we should have traded the # 2 pick?? because under that thought process nobody would have been a good pick.
Wade, Mello, and the others immediately contributed significantly to their squads.
yes. we already won a championship with darko.

Darko had as much to do with that championship as the guy in the stands hawking hot dogs. Why must we always go here?


i think of any team in the league we had the luxury of waiting for a guy to become great.

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