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Nemo · #21 (**permalink**) 07-11-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CloudWalker

They could have used his leadership. On this I agree.

IMO, they needed Chauncey Billups' leadership.

But "kick in the pants" isn't his style, it was Ben's.
It isn't Flip's style either come to think of it.

We're in trouble.

All excellent points............I'm figuring we'll see a "NEW" Flip this season.......with Joe's blessing, of course.

roscoe36 · #22 (**permalink**) 07-11-2007, 02:33 PM

That's what they said last year. With malcontent Wallace gone, Flip was going to run things his way. His schemes, his rotations, deeper bench, less starter minutes...

It's a lot easier to lose credibility than it is to gain it.

I will see it when I believe it.

mikhail1973 · #23 (**permalink**) 07-11-2007, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by roscoe36

That's what they said last year. With malcontent Wallace gone, Flip was going to run things his way. His schemes, his rotations, deeper bench, less starter minutes...

It's a lot easier to lose credibility than it is to gain it.

I will see it when I believe it.

My sentiments exactly. I want to see it with my own eyes. We've heard it all before. (put cliche of your choice here).

ggazoo69 · #24 (**permalink**) 07-11-2007, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nemo

My opinion is based on Sheed's personality and the way he reacts to others. Sheed puts his frustrations out for all to see, and sometimes a preemptive similar strike by the coach can set the boundaries for a new and promising relationship. Of course, I would not reccommend this approach be used with others on the team.

Yeah, I understand. No disrespect intended. I just don't like when personnel matters are on display for the media. We sorta like it because we get to find out about it. But it's like my boss talking with a whole bunch of other people about our relationship. Sure, he talks to me about it but that should be it. Maybe Joe did ask for Flipper to clear the air, like Max said.

As far as Flip goes, the dude's offensive schemes are overrated in my book. He has the most to prove as a Piston next year IMO. He proved to me that he couldn't light a fire under his team's azz in the ECF. Sure, the players deserve most of the blame, but Riles did a great job of guiding his team back from a deficit to beat Dallas two seasons ago. Flip doesn't have that.

buddahfan · #25 (**permalink**) 07-11-2007, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by roscoe36

The guy who didn't show leadership is Saunders. Everyone knows Sheed is a loose cannon. It's his greatest asset and his biggest deficiency.

A good coach, with years and years of NBA experience, and in his second season with this team, should have found a middle ground with Sheed.

And as mentioned, our offense was terrible. That's Flip's domain.

The horsecrap about the defense is nonsense. Sheed wasn't guarding Lebron. He wasn't guarding Boobie Gibson.

Chuck Daly was a master at getting players to buy into his system by empowering them. Flip has shown ZERO inclination, here or in Minny, to be a manager of personalities. A coach has to be a cohesive and supportive voice.

You guys remember at the end of Flip's first season when Dyess, Rip, Tay and Sheed were questioning him?

What do you do? Turnover the whole roster for a guy who continues to prove he is a playoff choker, or do you demand accountability from your coach, and set standards he must meet? It's foolish to think we would have to shed Sheed because he can't get along with Saunders. Like this guy is some Phil Jackson or something.

Who was it that posted that "it is a player's league"?

In any case when you come into a winning situation like Flip came into and you are dealing with a bunch of veteran "all-star" multi-millionaires who are still at or near the top of their game, it is not so simple or necessarily the best thing to go in and rock the "culture" so soon, especially when the old culture was still winning.

Yes they didn't win in Flip's first year but they still got to the ECF, so it wasn't a surprise that other than not resigning Big Ben that the culture that Flip inherited was only tweaked after the loss to Miami and given another year to deliver a ring.

They failed to do so again this year, so now it is time for a "culture change". The vets have a lot weaker argument to resist change at this point, knowing that they now have failed two years running to get to the finals.

People can blame it all on Flip, but I trust Joe D's judgment.

This year there will be no excuse whatsoever for Flip if the young guys don't get a legitimate chance to do their thing.

buddahfan · #26 (**permalink**) 07-11-2007, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ggazoo69

Sure, the players deserve most of the blame, but Riles did a great job of guiding his team back from a deficit to beat Dallas two seasons ago. Flip doesn't have that.

Riles is a HOF coach, with an inordinate amount of authority and power. There are less than a handful of coaches in the league that have that kind of position. Brown had it. Flip needs to earn it, which he hasn't done yet.

BillLaimbeer · #27 (**permalink**) 07-11-2007, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by buddahfan

Sounds to me as though there is still a power struggle going on here. Will Sheed be traded? I think at this point it is more likely that if it comes to logger heads that it will be Sheed that will be gone not Flip, mainly because Sheed's game at this point has already started the old age decline.

Sounds like you're changing the story to create some drama. With Rasheed inviting Saunders to speak at Sheed's basketball camp, it sounds like the two are working things out. Both will be Pistons this season. Not even a question, at this point.

KGREG · #28 (**permalink**) 07-11-2007, 04:05 PM

All I know is......what I heard out of Joe's mouth after the ECF, and he was pissed at everyone's effort sans Sheed. Every player and every coach except Sheed.

Sheed is going nowhere, because the only players we could bring in would be J-Oneal, KG, etc......Joe will not make a one sided trade with Rasheed, like he did with Evans, Delfino, Darko...etc, just to make things peaceful for a coach that has displayed incompetence at this level 2 seasons in a row.

ggazoo69 · #29 (**permalink**) 07-11-2007, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by buddahfan

Riles is a HOF coach, with an inordinate amount of authority and power. There are less than a handful of coaches in the league that have that kind of position. Brown had it. Flip needs to earn it, which he hasn't done yet.

Totally agree. One thing I'll say also is that when there is parity, oftentimes it is the team with the coach that knows how to hit the right buttons and make the right tweaks that is the difference. I'm willing to give Flip the benefit of the doubt for the next 41 games. After that, it's open season. He's not a winner. Not the way Chuck Daly was. Not the way Laimbeer WOULD be if given the chance.

The Low · #30 (**permalink**) 07-11-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Nemo

I saw what you saw.............and put all that on the players.........

Any coach that allows all that to take place over the course of a 7 game series and makes no demonstrative effort to make it stop doesn't deserve to be coach.

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