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Originally Posted by J-Train I could think of a few reasons why you wouldn't want to play them ...

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I could think of a few reasons why you wouldn't want to play them at the 3. Offensively, neither can spread the floor with their shooting. This deficiency allows opposing teams to double our post guys with impunity and cut off driving lanes without fear of being hurt by kickouts. Nor do either possess the handle required to drive by NBA perimeter defenders.
AJ is definitely a 4 but, I think you need to watch AJ play or watch him play some more. One of his strengths is to catch a pass on the perimeter and then blow by his defender and take it to the hoop or pass off on his penetration if he is doubled on his drive.

He also has nice midrange face up jump shot which will only get better. AJ right now is our best or second best passing big man, depending on whether C-Webb returns or not. He is definitely capable of one day putting up a triple double without getting 10 blocks or 10 steals.

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Isn't this discussion another variation of the age old question:

"Does size matter"?


Only if ordering french fries.............and sharing them.
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I could think of a few reasons why you wouldn't want to play them at the 3. Offensively, neither can spread the floor with their shooting. This deficiency allows opposing teams to double our post guys with impunity and cut off driving lanes without fear of being hurt by kickouts. Nor do either possess the handle required to drive by NBA perimeter defenders. Additionally, playing at the 3 lessens, if not negates, their offensive strengths by taking them away from the paint and the post, where they are actually offensively viable.

Defensively, you wouldn't want them guarding 3s either. That defensive responsibility would bring them away from the basket where they would no longer be able to effectively block shots and rebound. This would hurt Maxiell, who is a decent shot-blocker, and utterly destroy Amir's contributions as both our best rebounder and shot-blocker. Neither would be particularly adept (and I'm being kind here) at stopping dribble penetration. This problem is exacerbated by the rule change that doesn't allow contact on the perimeter. That's why the league has moved away from oversized 3s towards smaller, more skilled swingmen.

This is most likely why Joe drafted Afflalo and Meijia, both of whom appear to be strong perimeter defenders capable of stopping penetration.

That's just of off of the top of my head. I'm sure I could think of more.
As I said in the rest of my post, I agree Amir is a 4...

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Not sure that it really matters since his (Johnson) skillset dictates that he stay near the paint right now on offense, so the PF role might be his best short and long term option.
But I agree, in Flip's offense the backup 3 has planted his butt out at the 3pt line and waited for a pass..spreading the floor for an attack on the rim that never happened...but I digress. If the 2nd team offense will be more of an attacking style with Stuckey handling the ball, Maxiell (particularly) and maybe Amir could spell Tay.
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you guys are looking too hard for conspiracies that aren't there. you're showing a video where you have no vantage point of where amir and sheed were standing in comparison to each other, and you can't even see from the stomach down. good lord.
I absolutely agree Hog.

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You've been to games recently. You've seen Amir together on the floor with Sheed, Dice, Davis & Tay, at least in pre-game. What's your relative height analysis seeing Amir next to those guys?
I went to game 2 of the Cavs series and saw each of the players live. My height analysis, based on my observations from the nose bleed section is that everyone on both teams looked really small.

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His height is relatively irrelevant. He can obviously play PF, and if he's smaller, he may be able to SF.

The only thing that keep growing about this guy (in my opinion), is his legend.
I agree on all counts.
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Only if ordering french fries.............and sharing them.
How about when ordering Pizza and sharing it?

Or better yet when ordering Pizza and Fries (which I have been known to do) and sharing them?

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As I said in the rest of my post, I agree Amir is a 4...



But I agree, in Flip's offense the backup 3 has planted his butt out at the 3pt line and waited for a pass..spreading the floor for an attack on the rim that never happened...but I digress. If the 2nd team offense will be more of an attacking style with Stuckey handling the ball, Maxiell (particularly) and maybe Amir could spell Tay.
As I have posted before the key to the attacking style offense is the rebounding to start with. It is not just a matter of getting the rebound but what kind of confidence do your guards have that you will do that they so at least one of them can cheat on the shot to release down court.

The second ingredient as it were that is necessary to run an effective break is the outlet pass. If the guy who is your main rebounder can not throw an quick and accurate outlet pass then what is the point of having your guards release for the break?

The third ingredient necessary is to have guard than can effectively take the outlet pass and run the break in the proper way. Again not a given, as not all guards are good at running an effective fast break.

The final ingredient is do you have someone who can get out on the break once it starts and be in position to take the pass from the guy with the ball leading the break, assuming the ball handler doesn't go all the way himself, and effectively finish at the rim. For example, Delfino had an awful time finishing at the rim. In fact I never saw anyone who was so consistently bad at it.

So running a fast break offense requires a number of pieces to all fit together.

From what I have seen so far; AJ can definitely rebound and throw an effective outlet pass. Hot Rod can run the break and he along with Mejia and Afflalo can finish at the rim.

I haven't seen enough of Mejia to have an opinion on his ability to run the break and from what I have seen of Afflalo over the years he is much better finishing on the break then he is running it.

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It doesn't matter how tall he is.

He was probably 6'7" and change when he was drafted and is now 6'9" and change barefeet.

Oden is 6'11" barefeet. I can handle my ultraversatile SF/PF being 1.5" shorter than Oden.

He's like a lottery ticket we can't quite read, and have to bring it in to see if we've won 2 million or 5 million dollars. Either way... we b rich.

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How about when ordering Pizza and sharing it?

Or better yet when ordering Pizza and Fries (which I have been known to do) and sharing them?

You SHARE your pizza............The wife and I always order two of them....... She likes her toppings and I like mine... rest is tomorrow's lunch..........
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You SHARE your pizza............The wife and I always order two of them....... She likes her toppings and I like mine... rest is tomorrow's lunch..........
If separate toppings are desire then 1/2 a side with one set of toppings and the other 1/2 side with another set of toppings. Never found it a problem to order that way.

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As I have posted before the key to the attacking style offense is the rebounding to start with. It is not just a matter of getting the rebound but what kind of confidence do your guards have that you will do that they so at least one of them can cheat on the shot to release down court.

The second ingredient as it were that is necessary to run an effective break is the outlet pass. If the guy who is your main rebounder can not throw an quick and accurate outlet pass then what is the point of having your guards release for the break?

The third ingredient necessary is to have guard than can effectively take the outlet pass and run the break in the proper way. Again not a given, as not all guards are good at running an effective fast break.

The final ingredient is do you have someone who can get out on the break once it starts and be in position to take the pass from the guy with the ball leading the break, assuming the ball handler doesn't go all the way himself, and effectively finish at the rim. For example, Delfino had an awful time finishing at the rim. In fact I never saw anyone who was so consistently bad at it.

So running a fast break offense requires a number of pieces to all fit together.

From what I have seen so far; AJ can definitely rebound and throw an effective outlet pass. Hot Rod can run the break and he along with Mejia and Afflalo can finish at the rim.

I haven't seen enough of Mejia to have an opinion on his ability to run the break and from what I have seen of Afflalo over the years he is much better finishing on the break then he is running it.

One mustn't forget how JMax out ran the Cav PF/SF several times for strong finishes in his breakout playoff performance, just a few weeks ago.
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