Here is a link to all the centers in the NBA.
NBA - Players - Yahoo! Sports

Around 150 players are listed as a c or fc and I would take Nazr over about 120 of them. Some people around here are just plain bitter or worse ignorant about who is out there. Remember its not like we traded Big Ben for Nazr he was the best available FA at the time.

When did Nazr win a starting job?

I'll be surprised if he starts whether we add another player or not. Dice or Max are more likely starters.

Abe, now show me one other center on that list that played 800 minutes last season, at center, and failed to score a bucket over the opposing center even once in the post. And show me just one on that list who can't push Mohammed out from under the basket easily.

I couldn't agree more. Nazr is FIRMLY on my "trade bait" list, but I would rather have him than about 120-140 folks on that list. Especially given what it would take to trade for some of em. In fact, I would go so far as to call Nazr an excellent choice for a 5th big.

He's a whole helluva lot better than Darko fuh sho!

Its funny how the arguement FOR NazMo is that there isn't anyone else.

I am comfortable with him at this point. I thought Davis was enough and we could wait. He showed adequate production. It was nothing a team could hang its hat on but could become a predictable weakness...and that would make it possible to cover. He's consistent. Consistently disappointing to some but teams that bring in Nazr or Foyle or Diop know what they are getting unlike with Swift, Griffin, or Kwame Brown.

He can rebound. He along with Amir and Jason will be the guys that have to make defenses pay for trapping rip or allowing Stuckey into the lane. These guys can clean up the garbage and rack up second chance points. If all Naz manages to do is rebound, I will be satisfied.

He stays down low. People take this for granted but look at Sheed. Mmmm hmmm. Mark Blount? Lafrentz? Murphy? Murphy's pretty good but double the price. Since we have Sheed and his wandering ways, having a guy that lives down low is favourable.

He doesn't need a lot of shots. How many first or second options can we have? Would a Magliore be happy? Would Wilcox?

He's a professional. He's a glue guy. Ok he's more like elmer's than super glue but he's one of those guys. He was ready to play despite being shelved. That attitude puts him over 50% of the candidates on abe's list.

He hasn't broken down. Pryz? It didn't take long. Kristic? Out. Jeff Foster? er. maybe? I dunno. Foster has some solid games and then strings DNP's. We got that already.

But wait, there are a bunch of guys that have those qualities and better skills! Dwight Howard. No. Okafor. No. Yao. Hells No. Al Jefferson. No. Okur. No. O'neal. No. O'neal again!. No. Brad Miller. Not for that. Darko. He's gone.
To a lesser extent...
Nene. Still no. Diaw. no. Chandler. No. Curry. No.

And by "No" I mean will teams give us that for Nazr? Don't even try adding Flip in there because he has negative value.

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Say What??

A championship this year is squarely on the shoulders of a 20 year old?? That hasn`t played a full season yet.

You have got to be kidding............

That is what you said.

So I talked about defensive rebounds which you don't pad by not getting back on defense. Your statement obviously goes to padding offensive rebounds, which I didn't talk about in my response.

Now if you want to talk about padding defensive rebounds like you did in your response to me. I agree that one can pad defensive rebounds by doing what you said.

I am just not convinced that Nazr gets rebounds to intentionally pad his numbers as you seem to imply at the sacrifice of team play.

The fact that he doesn't get back from offense to defense and doesn't help out is a sign of one of his biggest faults that I have pointed out for over 6 months and that is that he has very poor foot speed and movement.

I just don't think that he doesn't do what we agree he doesn't do because he intentionally wants to pad his rebounding numbers like you believe he is doing. I think it is just his lack of foot speed and movement caused by physical limitations in those areas.

No necessarily.

If you get an "F" on the mid-term but get a 50 rather than a 35 you will be able to raise your final grade for the year by getting a lower number on the Final if you had a 50 on the mid-term as opposed to a 35.

Its possible Joe D. would have made more of an effort to keep Big Ben if Nazr was not available at the time, but he didn't make the effort because he didn't think that Ben was worth the $5 million plus more a year than it would take to sign Nazr.

So that is like a trade, or more precisely an "opportunity cost trade off"

I have to reluctantly admit that although Nazr(or as one guy in another form spelled it Nazi) is no Bison Dele he still is better than some of the bench riding stiffs in the NBA. That's not high praise but it does speak to the fact that Nazi is probably at least on the level of a somewhat solid NBA backup.


The Bulls had guys like Will Perdue playing center in their glory years so we should be able to get by with Nazi.