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Originally Posted by round only problem is with it is.... it wouldn't show a true stat still because if ...

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Old 12-30-2007, 01:09 PM
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only problem is with it is.... it wouldn't show a true stat still because if your team has horible ft shooters you look worse then if your team has good ft shooters.

I think that is what makes it work. If you pass it to a horrible free throw shooter, it wasn't as effective a pass as it would have been if you threw it to a great one. As the passer, you take your chances.

It's the same thing with you throw a pass to a teammate who shoots a jumper. The pass may be great, but if the guy misses the shot, you don't get credit.
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Sorry but Rick Mahorn disagrees with you on this.

He says that it is great that Stuckey is being aggressive and he should definitely stay as aggressive as he is and that the officials will adjust to his game. He said that on last night broadcast.

Hey guys,

How many times does an official have to see a guy before they get comfortable with a player's individual style and tendancies?

It seemed like it took about a year and a half for the refs to "OK" Rips travelling when he receivs the ball at the top of the key. Now it seems like as long as Rip doesn't use it for an advantage he can drag that pivot foot without getting whistled.

So with around 50 games left, most of the officials will see Stuckey play twice maybe three times? There may not be enough time this year for him to establish many signature moves, but it should be enough for Stuckey to learn what the refs will let him get away with...for now.
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Hey guys,

How many times does an official have to see a guy before they get comfortable with a player's individual style and tendancies?

It seemed like it took about a year and a half for the refs to "OK" Rips travelling when he receivs the ball at the top of the key. Now it seems like as long as Rip doesn't use it for an advantage he can drag that pivot foot without getting whistled.

So with around 50 games left, most of the officials will see Stuckey play twice maybe three times? There may not be enough time this year for him to establish many signature moves, but it should be enough for Stuckey to learn what the refs will let him get away with...for now.
If he is smart he will keep pushing the envelope and expanding his options.

Backing down to officials by reducing aggressiveness for a rookie is in my opinion a bad mistake, because then you wind up never getting the calls.

It is like any relationship, The more ground you give up especially at the beginning the harder it becomes to get any of it back later on.

Even if he gets called on a move 10 times in a row he should keep making that move because he eventually he will start getting the calls. That is how superstars become superstars and get away with a lot of things that the average player never would


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I think that is what makes it work. If you pass it to a horrible free throw shooter, it wasn't as effective a pass as it would have been if you threw it to a great one. As the passer, you take your chances.

It's the same thing with you throw a pass to a teammate who shoots a jumper. The pass may be great, but if the guy misses the shot, you don't get credit.
I am going to support your post by the following:

Players who shoot well, the other team does not want them to have the ball. So its harder to pass to a good shooter, in general. If you pass to a poor shooter, that the other team could care less if you pass to, its probably an unchallenged pass, the poor shooter will miss the shot, and of course, you get no assist. It all works out. (Except, yes, you do have to add the half assist per made free throw, and an assist on a post entry pass, which is one of the most important passes you can make. Remember this too, post entry passes are not equal. Some are timely and give the post up player the advantage. Some are mistimed and leave the post player with not much to do except pass the ball back.)
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yes, you do have to add the half assist per made free throw
What do you mean? There aren't any assists given for made free throws.
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I am going to support your post by the following:

Players who shoot well, the other team does not want them to have the ball. So its harder to pass to a good shooter, in general. If you pass to a poor shooter, that the other team could care less if you pass to, its probably an unchallenged pass, the poor shooter will miss the shot, and of course, you get no assist. It all works out. (Except, yes, you do have to add the half assist per made free throw, and an assist on a post entry pass, which is one of the most important passes you can make. Remember this too, post entry passes are not equal. Some are timely and give the post up player the advantage. Some are mistimed and leave the post player with not much to do except pass the ball back.)

Lee, time to start a crusade. They NBA didn't record blocks until the 1973 season, so changes can be made. I think that is the same year they started keeping official stats for steals as well.
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Lee, time to start a crusade. They NBA didn't record blocks until the 1973 season, so changes can be made. I think that is the same year they started keeping official stats for steals as well.
The difference here is that you are changing a stat that already exists. Would it be fair to all of the guys in the past who never got assists on those free throws for these young guys to start flying by them on the all-time assist list? John Stockton's untouchable record would all of a sudden be touchable. Scott Skiles' 30 assist game would fall pretty quickly as well.

The Blocks/Steals thing is different. There were no previous records affected by adding those statistics.

The only thing they could do is add a separate "Assist to Free Throw" stat. I don't see that happening any time soon. I'd still like to see a "Charges Drawn" stat.

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You'd have to put an asterisk next to I guess.

It would be a more meaningful stat though.
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Stuckey gets better by the game. He looked good paired with Afflalo in the 2nd quarter. As long as he keeps getting the minutes, he'll be a vital part of the team once the playoffs roll around.
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I got to know what you guys think

If he keeps improving is he too late to the rookie of year party? or does Durant have it in the bag?

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