Dang. I'm gonna miss lemonpen's signature. It was funny.

I dunno Micro. I think for sure Flip needs to kick their butts for sleeping through the first 3 quarters every game, but it's early in the season and the increase in offense seems to more than make up for the extra points we give up.


I'm looking forward to the next game. I dunno if it's on the road or at home...but I believe they will win against anyone they play. Let's give it a few more games.

This will be a great season.

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Then the talk should stop and Sheed n' Chauncey need to fill those roles with actions and I believe that is what Joe envisioned.I'm not upset they lost 8-1 to start the season in which all summer as many questions there were about this team I'll take it.Just seems eerily familiar with saying what needs to be done like coming out and enforcing will upon teams from the first whistle but not doing it until the last quarter.

There are still some problem areas but it's only 9 games in and I think the streak even though some downplayed it had an effect on getting the bench players in more than they did.The starters were used more to keep it going and even though they are professional athletes that should perform evry night back to backs take alot out of you especially road games.Another BUT.. great teams do that.I think we are but we need to show it.I'm the first person that would like this era of Pistons to be mentioned as one of the great teams.

Now that being undefeated during the regular season is not going to happen start seeing what this bench is made of and ending the season with only 1 loss can't be all that bad can it??

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Just got off 94 outta Chy-town and I gotta commend our Piston Fans on the west side of the state for finally gettin the sunday drivers outta the hammer lane. Made good time comin back. THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!

Missed the Dallas game, but I've been kinda impressed with Arroyo's play this season. So far anyway. This is a guy whose done his homework last offseason, and it shows. He's in much better shape, and he has found his shot. If used properly, could be a great change of pace guy for us. Plus, our guys have some chemistry with him.

I think our true weakness (same as last season) remains the backup 2/3 spots. Evans and Delfino don't inspire confidence in my book, although I'm willing to be patient. Without an upgrade or much better play, we've got a weak bench....again.

Is it possible to agree with everyones opinion on a thread?
I mean I couldn't find much to argue with (dang it).

I'll always remember what a boss told me once... "Don't give me a problem... give me a solution".

With that in mind... this is what I would suggest:
Give the current bench enough rope to hang them self or use it to make bridge over troubled waters...Say until the trade deadline in February.

If the bench +/- does not improve by then look for changes...
Possible changes include:

• Darko at PF (he can actually produce there). We have too much invested in him to keep him on the bench.
• Look for a veteran scoring upgrade at the 2/3, or use Jmax at SF
• Use Hunter more to stop dribble pen or trade for a defensive capable PG that can set up his teamates.

As long as we can maintain the best record in the East then we can stay with this much of the youth development program.

I think we need someone off the bench that can command a double team... this is something that Corliss would do for us... if he could play SF then so can Jmax... he's a better defender than C.W. was.
By having Jmax dominate in the post there would be a better free flowing ball movement to the open man... and because Jmax can shoot a consistent midrange shot we would have enough perimiter balance to allow Arroyo to use his penetration & dish abilities.

@ 8-1 let's give it some time fellas.

Oh yeah... and tell Sheed to quit getting caught in limbo land on P&R's... you either put a lot of pressure on the gaurd to cause a T.O. or you get your ass back to cover the big.

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Sounds good to me. Heck, I hope I'm wrong about the bench. I hope everyone steps up, we can reduce the starters' minutes without having much (ideally any) drop off, our young guys earn valuable minutes and experience and we get home court without having to make a single move.

you read my mind i was just going to put what tay said after the game, and he is right the pistons ar not at the same level of defense but i am very sure it will get better soon.

I am a little concerned. We have seen people drive to the basket at will on our bigs without paying the price. The Dallas game was one where there should be no excuses made. Teams play back to back all the time. Iverson plays 40 minutes a game and can just about score 40 pts in both games. Dallas looked hungry and we looked like we could care less we just wanted the game over with as fast as possible. At some point you would have thought that pride would have set in and guys would have wanted to not get blown back like they did. I just hope this does not start the begining of a lossing streak where we lose 3 or 4 in a row like the Wings are doing.

yup. ben has always had trouble with large centers it's nothing new. he usually wears them down though. darko seems to do a better job against large centers. yup it's darko time mcdyess got his minutes to work things out now give darko 10 games to see if he can get his offensive game going. it will only help us in the end to have more capable bigs on the bench.

yup. patience is the key. the guys simply haven't had the minutes to gel. delfino is shooting a high percentage and making good passes. evans is rebounding and shooting the 3 well. delfino and arroyo need to be on the floor at the same time. arroyo needs another playmaker on the court with him. delfino could be our missing scoring option off the bench if flip was to tell him to be that. right now a couple of our best scorers off the bench are the most unselfish guys.