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Originally Posted by TaShawn I just like Flip because he is a nice man. Classy press conference by him. Mentioning ...

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I just like Flip because he is a nice man.

Classy press conference by him. Mentioning Dice's G-Ma's death and almost tearing up himself. Then he made sure to give credit to Bill Davidson, Joe D, Stuckey, and many others as he reflected on the organization and the game.

He's pressing 90% of the right buttons so far this post season. The team is playing extremely hard and smart.
He is doing a lot more this season vs. last season. And tons more than the year before that where he basically systematically started to tear the team apart. 90% though. Nope. Maybe 70%. Thats a C- coach coaching an excellent team. Now, the season ain't over yet, Flip could still up his grade a notch or two.

You want specific problems? Hayes still got in there to stink things up this last game, even after Flip had a whole season to try and find a better solution at backup small forward.

Herrmann is dressing over Amir? Uhhh, wait a sec, Herrmann is the slowest player we have, ie the least quickest. Not even close to the next guy. Amir is about our quickest. This is pretty much utter craziness.

Afflalo has shown all year to be a solid defender, and yet it seems Flip keeps finding excuses not to play the guy. I do have to give him credit for the time Afflalo has played, which has been substantial, but the playing time Afflalo has gotten falls far short of what he should be getting. Individual grade on this by the way is 70%, right at Flips overall average.

Amir also has played. But only about 50% of the amount he should have gotten. Will call this about a D grade. Not failure, not E+, not D-, but a solid D.

Stuckey. Despite his threats to find excuses not to play Stuckey until, well, something far south of here freezes over, Stuckey got in there about as soon as could be expected and did get serious minutes. About 90% of what he should have gotten. Thats an A grade. Stuckey is actually ready to play for the playoffs, this is an accomplishment. Good job Flip on this.

Dyess was overplayed in the regular season. But not too severely. Still, his minutes over last year went too far up. Bad player management. C.

Sheed, Tay, Billups, and Rip all played less. And yet, they were all a year older. The minutes could have come down a bit more yet. B.

On Maxiell, good recognition that his minutes count was getting too high, and backing off playing him some. A.

Playing rotations that make sense, that matchup on D. Very poor. Orlando should not have competed with us, for instance. Giving them constantly good favorable matchups at the forwards spot continually hurt us, and was never addressed. D.

Defense. B. You may not like zones, but knowing how to play them can come in handy for throwing a monkey wrench into their offense here and there. Flip would have an A here, but since he so seldom chooses to matchup to the other team on defense, and often fails to adjust even after we are getting burnt for several minutes, the grade is lower. Yeah, thats a double penalty for the poor rotations, live with it. Its important.

Getting his team to run a logical game plan on offense. C. Erratic. Like, when was the last time we got one of their key players in foul trouble? You know, if their best scorer was in foul trouble, it just might help. Why did Sheed jack up 6 threes last game? Good questions. No answers. The Pistons have shown they can play right, attack the basket, avoid long shots that trigger fast breaks, drive inside until they are in so much foul trouble it gives us a great advantage. But its erratic.
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He is doing a lot more this season vs. last season. And tons more than the year before that where he basically systematically started to tear the team apart. 90% though. Nope. Maybe 70%. Thats a C- coach coaching an excellent team. Now, the season ain't over yet, Flip could still up his grade a notch or two.

You want specific problems? Hayes still got in there to stink things up this last game, even after Flip had a whole season to try and find a better solution at backup small forward. Hayes showed he can catch fire. Big fire fast. That's what Flip likes so hayes get chances. Would perfer Amir...

Herrmann is dressing over Amir? Uhhh, wait a sec, Herrmann is the slowest player we have, ie the least quickest. Not even close to the next guy. Amir is about our quickest. This is pretty much utter craziness.
you're right and I won't discuss this with you or anyone.

Afflalo has shown all year to be a solid defender, and yet it seems Flip keeps finding excuses not to play the guy. I do have to give him credit for the time Afflalo has played, which has been substantial, but the playing time Afflalo has gotten falls far short of what he should be getting. Individual grade on this by the way is 70%, right at Flips overall average. If you say AA should get minutes for his D, you're probably right. Flip wants both ends and AA seems lacking on O. Flip is clear about this. I hope it doesn't come back to bite us.

Amir also has played. But only about 50% of the amount he should have gotten. Will call this about a D grade. Not failure, not E+, not D-, but a solid D. A GD F

Stuckey. Despite his threats to find excuses not to play Stuckey until, well, something far south of here freezes over, Stuckey got in there about as soon as could be expected and did get serious minutes. About 90% of what he should have gotten. Thats an A grade. Stuckey is actually ready to play for the playoffs, this is an accomplishment. Good job Flip on this. C coach A player, hard to mess that up.

Dyess was overplayed in the regular season. But not too severely. Still, his minutes over last year went too far up. Bad player management. C.
Agree, but to Dyess' credit he has been all world lately. Grade B+. Let's see how Dyess does against ECF comp.

Sheed, Tay, Billups, and Rip all played less. And yet, they were all a year older. The minutes could have come down a bit more yet. B. The last 10 reg.sea. games of 07 we went .500~. with mostly starters. This year the last 10 games we went .800~ with starters avg. 25 min. Something good happened...

On Maxiell, good recognition that his minutes count was getting too high, and backing off playing him some. A. Maxi impressed/pleasently surprized me. Matchups matter.

Playing rotations that make sense, that matchup on D. Very poor. Orlando should not have competed with us, for instance. Giving them constantly good favorable matchups at the forwards spot continually hurt us, and was never addressed. D. He got the win in 5 games. but you're right., this could really come back to hurt us.

Defense. B. You may not like zones, but knowing how to play them can come in handy for throwing a monkey wrench into their offense here and there. Flip would have an A here, but since he so seldom chooses to matchup to the other team on defense, and often fails to adjust even after we are getting burnt for several minutes, the grade is lower. Yeah, thats a double penalty for the poor rotations, live with it. Its important.
Concur, for a while we didn't know what the bench could do, so how do we know the matchup?

Getting his team to run a logical game plan on offense. C. Erratic. Like, when was the last time we got one of their key players in foul trouble? You know, if their best scorer was in foul trouble, it just might help. Why did Sheed jack up 6 threes last game? Good questions. No answers. The Pistons have shown they can play right, attack the basket, avoid long shots that trigger fast breaks, drive inside until they are in so much foul trouble it gives us a great advantage. But its erratic.
Answer: placate. I gotta give him a passing grade here.
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Interesting post. But

1) Rip was 0-11 on his midrange game last night. This is the playoffs. The opposing team finds ways to neutralize things.

2) Tay was 4-17. Same comment.

3) Sheed found lots of freedom, and used it to brick 6 triple tries. Dyess did have a rare good shooting game though in this one.

4) No Billups

5) Actually, Sheed does back down his man, but then fades back to a fifteen footer. No complaints though as he hits them a lot.

6) JMAX, being demoted to the bench again, is not getting enough in-game shots to keep that 15 footer going.

7) The absolute most effective part of Stuckey's game is him driving in to the basket, and picking up fouls. Save for 4 points, Stuck scored 11, driving to the basket, and either making his layups or getting fouled and making his free throws.
Sometimes the other team helps you win.
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Re: Saunders deserves credit

Flip will be on Rome is Burning on Friday at 4:30 EDT/ 1:30 EDT (ESPN)

Lets see if Jim can get Flip to twitch on live TV and take credit for the Pistons recent success
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Is this a trick question?
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Re: Saunders deserves credit

At least one writer thinks so...

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Re: Saunders deserves credit

Great article! All you can hope for is that your coach puts you in a position to win. Good detail. I know Chris (and Flip) is unpopular but this was good stuff.
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I think Drew Sharpe got it right yesterday. It is judgement time for Flip Saunders:


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It's judgment time for Flip Saunders | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press
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Great article! All you can hope for is that your coach puts you in a position to win. Good detail. I know Chris (and Flip) is unpopular but this was good stuff.
Agreed
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I think Drew Sharpe got it right yesterday. It is judgement time for Flip Saunders:


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Today, he's regarded as a good coach. That could swing 180 degrees after two games of the Eastern Conference finals
It's judgment time for Flip Saunders | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press
That is correct since he has not won anything beyond those first two games of the ECF. If and once he gets the Pistons into the finals, then I will give him a little more credit and my opinion will move up a notch.. Now if he wins the whole dang thing......
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