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Delfino Delivers · #41 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 03:39 PM

The more I think about it and listening to Joe; the more I feel that Beer is the man for the job.

One thing Joe said was that he didn't feel like he and the coach were on the same page all the time. It sounded to me like he was eluding to playing the young guys CONSISTENTLY. He said there was too much "drifting". Sounds like the youngsters will get a chance to make a difference next year and that the coach chosen will be given the responsibility to get them ready.

Laimbeer has got three rookies in the rotation and oh yeah; they are 5-1 and in first place.

DirtyMoney · #42 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RupertPupkin

I disagree. 3 times to the ECF with the team we had is the bare minimum.

I mean seriously, we went to the Finals 2 years in a row, and basically kept the exact same team afterwards... how do we come up short?

He single-handedly ran Ben Wallace out of Detroit (which is good or bad, depending how you look at it. Hindsight is 20/20)... he turned Chauncey Billups from the elite PG that LB transformed him into, into just an above-average Point Guard.

He tried to make Rip Hamilton a 3-pt shooter (remember in '06?), and he did not have the respect of this team.. No one one that team looked to him for guidance or inspiration, he was just a suit on the sidelines.

The players could not have had a coach on the sidelines and they would have made it to the ECF 3 years in a row. Billups, Wallace, and Hunter basically coached the team themselves. And look at it like this, was Miami, Cleveland, and Boston really better than us?

You can give a good argument for Boston, but I will never believe that Miami and Lebronland (err, Cleveland) were better teams than the Detroit Pistons. We were outcoached, overplayed, and could not come up with answers when the pressure was on. During the Brown years, when we needed a big play after a timeout, he always provided one... whether it was an open screen & curl for Rip, a 3-pointer for Billups, or an alley-oop to Big Ben/Tayshaun... Flip just basically threw his hands in the air and let the players decide what to do.

Glad he's gone. Time to start a new chapter and work our way back to the Finals the same the way we got there the first time, working hard, doing the dirty work, and executing our plan.

Where are these teams that beat us?? They still did not make it to the ECF. Where is Cleveland?? where is the Heat. History says Detroit will be right there and the Celtics will fall off. We need some one who will teach/inspire this team to be winners, not be just as good.

lpgrl26 · #43 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 03:50 PM

Haven't read this thread yet, but just heard the news. Go Joe D!! Apparently, he wasn't drinking the "special" kool-aid

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I just read the break up a significant portion of the core. Don't know how thrilled i am about that.

Ernie the Slow Adult · #44 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 03:56 PM

Heard the strong words from Joe D last year too. Winning 2 games in the ECF is the team doing it on its' own. Coaching is what carries it past that point. At least Curry looks alive on the sidelines. If you were keeping this group together though I would prefer Laimbeeer.

If Sheed & KG switched sides, would DET have won the series? I say no. Ditto if you switched Rip for Allen, CB for Rondo or Dyess for Perkins. To me, the only way they win is if you swapped Tay for Pierce.

raxrets · #45 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Warthog

the way he talked about rip, tay, and sheed, i'd say sheed is gone for sure, and chauncey is the next likely.

he also mentioned stuckey and amir as guys he considered to be (or could become) special players, while maxiell and afflalo are guys you have to have on your team to compete (i took that as role players).

either way, great stuff from joe, and i think we're headed for an (if nothing else) exciting summer.

please, please, somebody post that interview. Wher is "I beg you" smiley when it is needed?

anakin · #46 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ernie the Slow Adult

If Sheed & KG switched sides, would DET have won the series? I say no. Ditto if you switched Rip for Allen, CB for Rondo or Dyess for Perkins. To me, the only way they win is if you swapped Tay for Pierce.

Don't buy this. What did Doc Rivers do that indicated he outcoached Flip? I din't see anything of significance. Their guys wanted it more and Doc managed to stand out the way.

RupertPupkin · #47 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyMoney

Where are these teams that beat us?? They still did not make it to the ECF. Where is Cleveland?? where is the Heat. History says Detroit will be right there and the Celtics will fall off. We need some one who will teach/inspire this team to be winners, not be just as good.

It doesn't matter where they are now. It matter where they were in '06, '07, and '08. Because as I'm sure you'll agree, we are and WERE better than those teams! And we should not have lost in 6 games for 3 straight years! Whether we won or lost those series, we'd still be in the ECF every year following, so I'm not sure why that would be brought up.

And if you're satisfied with just making the ECF every year and losing to an inferior team, then that's fine. If you're happy with your team for almost being the best every year then more power to you.

But I'm not.

lpgrl26 · #48 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by anakin

Don't buy this. What did Doc Rivers do that indicated he outcoached Flip? I din't see anything of significance. Their guys wanted it more and Doc managed to stand out the way.

i disagree. It's hard to belive that Doc Rivers can outcoached anybody, but he outcoached Flip. He wasn't afraid to throw his bench guys in there. He didn't hesitate to pull someone who was ineffective. He varied his subs, and most importantly his guys had confidence in him, and he was able to keep them motivated and ready. He emphasized rebounding, and they rebounded. It looks like we had the same problem this season with players privately questioning the coach's moves. And LH saying that they need a strong coach is telling.

Also this is a little OT and not directed at anybody, but i'm getting really tired of ppl talking about how our defense was so great under Flip and referencing #'s like Points allowed. Anyone with two eyes could see that our defense was awful a majority of the time, easy layup, drunks, open shots galore. And we couldn't rebound which is a major part of defense. Even the players will tell you it sucked.

Ernie the Slow Adult · #49 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by anakin

Don't buy this. What did Doc Rivers do that indicated he outcoached Flip? I din't see anything of significance. Their guys wanted it more and Doc managed to stand out the way.

I kind of high jacked this thread and was talking about looking for a player to blame the loss on outside of Flip. KG put up some big numbers, but I don't think he would have if the tables were turned. On D, he didn't have to worry about containing penetration from the wings or coming out to trap screen/rolls. He only had to cover Sheed for the most part. Flip didn't help, (and in some instances like defensive strategy - he was a detriment) but DET has some personnel issues to boot.

TheeTFD · #50 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 04:18 PM

Down goes Frazier
Down goes Frazier
Down goes Frazier
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JD could overreact---Just move the coach and Sheed if necessary.