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Old 06-20-2008, 11:41 PM
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Tay is not the problem, lack of help from Sheed was as noted. Tay is also young and has plenty left for this team to use him.
Joe said in an interview that when his 'bigs' can't get it done anymore, he'll move them. Sheed disappeared in the last game when we needed him most, IMO he's gone.
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Old 06-21-2008, 12:20 AM
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Prince is the one person that can use that excuse. Also I'm a big believer in mental fatigue, and also not so much how many minutes you play which is important, but when (and how long) you get your breaks.

That's why the only two players that have any weight with me when they say they were fatigued are Prince and Sheed (I can't count how many times Sheed played amost the entire 1st half or 2nd half with a 2 min break. Also Sheed emotionally exhausts himself with all the energy he probably spends quietly driving himself crazy over Flip and the refs.) Am i stating this is the reason they lost? No. Contributing factor? Probably.

Everyone else on the team can STFU about fatigue.
As for excusing Tay, I'll counter with a hogcap from the game 6 thread:
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tayshaun sucked too...i remember a play in Game 3 or Game 4 where a rebound bounced near him and he barely saw it and didn't even make a play for it. he just didn't give it his all, and it's very disconcerting that he got so much rest in the regular season and can't play well for 40-mins a night (with a ton of long TV timeouts) for 5-10 games.
You make a good point about mental fatigue. The Posey steal is evidence of Tay's mental burnout. He has a way of fading deep in the playoffs after playing well in the opening series'...and it seems to be mostly for lack of passion.

Then there's Sheed. He'll forever be cursed by most for leaving Horry open, but he made a split second decision to double Ginobli who unfortunately made the greatest pass of his career IMO. But also remember Sheed was our best player against the LeCavs. He didn't lose it until he saw no one else was playing to win (players & coach). I think he felt that same frustration against the Celts this year, but it was more effortless knowing Flip would be gone afterward.

To sum up my point...I think Sheed gets burned out when he thinks few others are on the same page and the team drive to win isn't really there. Turtle Tay, on the other hand, seems to burn out as the pressure increases, loses focus on winning, and goes into his shell. Worth $9.5M a year?...I don't think so. He's got his ring, but I doubt he'll get another unless he's sitting on someone's bench when he's 35 holding the NBA record for 82-game-seasons played.
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It is true that Tay is asked to guard other teams best wing player. On offense he is asked to be a spot up shooter for the most part. He used to be able to go in the post some, but that was under a different coach. He has been useless on O the last 3 ECF.

He can't dribble. He can't make a post entry pass. Posey stole the ball from him because when the rest of the team was running up court he did what he does best. He held the ball for no reason.

Ron Ron is another ball movement killer. He is a long way from the MVP consideration player he was. If I were looking at a SF for SF swap, I would start with Caron Butler. That would take more than Tay to get him though.
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1) Artest plays physical D vs Tay's "I'll use my wingspan to avoid contact cuz I might get hurt"..."I'll sneak in and get a block from behind for the highlight reel"..."MOMMY!?! Lebron's running full speed straight at me!!! What should I do!?!?" approach to defense.

2) Artest is far more adept at steals

3) Artest has more than one move in the post

4) Artest has one year left on his contract (would cut $1M off the 08-09 payroll)

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1) Artest has been psychotic unpredictable off the court

2) Artest has one year left on his contract (even with a good season in Detroit, I think he'd bolt afterward)


I was gonna say Ronnie is more injury-prone than Tay, but then realized the silliness of that point


All-in-all, who knows how playing in Detroit would affect Ron-Ron? He might either regain his DPOY title or end up sleeping with a rifle in his truck in the Palace parking lot.
Thanks Det, that is the kind of comparison I was looking for. Now we need one for Tay vs Rjefferson, Tay vs, Gwallace and maybe Tay vs Luol Dang or Tay vs Butler. I know some of these guys are FA, so an S & T maybe in order.

If you are reading this Joe...we are out here to help you
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Thanks Det, that is the kind of comparison I was looking for. Now we need one for Tay vs Rjefferson, Tay vs, Gwallace and maybe Tay vs Luol Dang or Tay vs Butler. I know some of these guys are FA, so an S & T maybe in order.

If you are reading this Joe...we are out here to help you
That Tay for Caron Butler deal is a no brainer.

I believe Joe might do that in a heartbeat. Dude has heart, plays hard on both ends. I say yessir to that deal!
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That Tay for Caron Butler deal is a no brainer.

I believe Joe might do that in a heartbeat. Dude has heart, plays hard on both ends. I say yessir to that deal!
And the WAS Gm laughs at Joe D If he presents this trade. I agree with you though, Butler is a beast.

Also, that's a great analysis of the pros/cons of Artest above.
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Curry is still furious at being benched for Prince and will do everything in his power to ship him out of town.

That would be a good conspiracy theory.

If he is, then we can pull out the dog house which Flip never used...
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Re: Tay on the trade market?

The NBA player that Danilo Gallinari most admires is.....Tay.
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Brown doesn't like Tay. He wanted him traded, which was what led to Larry being pushed out by Joe and the front office.

Larry wanted Tay gone after the championship.
And this time, it is going to break Joe's heart...sob, sob.
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Re: Tay on the trade market?

Tay doesn't fade in the 3rd rd because of fatigue. He fades because the talent level is much better the deeper you go into the playoffs and he gets exposed for what he is, a 2nd tier glue-guy. Tayshaun is what he is, a 4th option, marginal defender that does everything GOOD, and is absolutely great at NOTHING!!!! in the Conf Finals and Finals, that isht wont cut it.
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