Would like to hear from the forum guru's on Amir's tendency to pick up fouls at record pace. He tends to foul at a greater pace than his peers with the same experience and who plays at PF position.

Is it because of:

1. Youth
2. Inexperience
3. Haven't earned respect for the refs
4. Lack of confidence
5. Poor Spacing
6. Poor Anticipation
7. Other
8. All of the above

Someone here at the job asked me about this, therefore, I am interested in how you men and women feel about this issue.

He should play soft one game just to see if there's ref bias.

I think that the primary reason is because he really, really wants to keep the other team from scoring and has the athletic ability (quickness + height + hops) to challenge almost every shot in the paint and beyond.

He doesn't have the discipline to show self restraint in situations where the liklihood for success is low and he doesn't have the experience to assess each situation before he gets involved.

The guy didn't play college ball and has spent a lot of time in practice against Sheed and Dyess, where there are no refs. His NBA experience was minimal last year and he's still adjusting.


It is similar to Sheed's tendancy to get T's. Amir can't allow an easy basket on his watch and Sheed can't allow the ref's to make a mistake. Ironically, Sheed is extremely good at picking his fights as a defender and letting it go when he's beat. He's a great one for Amir to learn from to fix this fouling weakness.

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"I've got to work on my foul trouble. This summer I'm going to work a lot on my defense, moving my feet." Amir

I wonder if BBeen had this problem, before Detroit.

I think alot of it is ref's getting to know him.... they just can't believe he gets where he does so fast and doesnt' foul.

I can't compare him to another young player with his lack of exp on the court, and athletic abiltiy...

look at his third foul yesterday.... he should have gone for the block and let the guy shot 2 shots since they called the foul anyways, he tried to be smart playing with 2 fouls and let the guy have the free path to the basket....

As great as ben was.... we all know that he got away with alot on his rep, there was no way he could play defense as great as he did for 40 mins and come away from the game with 2 fouls.

He didn't get into the league until he was 23 I believe, and he didn't get real minutes until he was 25. That will be Amir in 4 years.

At that point, Ben was averaging a foul every 10.8 minutes. By 2004, he was playing much better defense and also got his foul rate down to 1 every 17 minutes. He currently averages 1 per 16:40, so it's been pretty constant since he figured it out.


So, Amir is starting at a much higher rate, but he's younger and has less experience. Hopefully we will see a similar proportional improvement from him as we did from Ben.

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"I've got to work on my foul trouble. This summer I'm going to work a lot on my defense, moving my feet." Amir

Nice
all I know is your pudty better not start no stuff around here...
Who does it think it is, Mike Tyson ?

He's thinks he's a south paw version of Felix Trinidad.

Sounds exactly right to me. I think the question if whether he ought to be more in control at this point in his career.

Last year - 62 games - 12.3 MPG - 2.3 fouls per game - one foul every 5.42 minutes

This year - 25 games - 18.1 MPG - 3.4 fouls per game - one foul every 5.27 minutes


I'd sure like to see a little more progress than what we've seen so far (fouling rate down 3%). Right now on average he would foul out of any game he played in with about 32 minutes in the book.

Based on my thoroughly unscientific memory of the past couple of games, I'd say about half of his fouls are simple boneheaded plays, either out of position or trying something that can't possibly work.

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Jimi

the number crunchers might want to look at when he's getting fouls to maybe...

seems games are called closer to start the game so the ref's get control of the game.

with him starting he's getting early game fouls he wouldn't have gotten playing backup mins last year.

just a thought.