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Old 12-30-2005, 01:48 AM
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Arrow Is Chauncey really a legit MVP candidate?

Well folks, here is the poll you have been dying for.

My take;

CB is not MVP material. His best stats are 3 point shooting and Assist to turnover differential. Is that enough? Has his defense been as good as last year when he made the 2nd All-NBA defensive team?

Tonight, watching Chauncey running the break made me realize that MVP is a special award. It's the trophy for a player that changes a team. Has Chauncey become more important than Ben? or Sheed? or Rip?

Can you say Magic, Jordan, Olajuwon, Bird, Garnett, Duncan, Billups with a straight face?

The media LOVES Chauncey right now. He's riding a wave of popularity as the league and pundits desperately search our roster for a face to put on the tremendous regular season record thus far.

This MVP talk repulses me. The calls for 5 Pistons making the All-Star game pleases me. Even Flip tried to talk down Billups over the other guys tonight during the post game presser. When did this become the Detroit Chaunceys? I thought it was a "Piston thang" to take pride in the quality of all our starters and not being centered around one player.

I know this makes me sound like a hater, but this team is in trouble if Evans or Delfino has to play for Rip. Perhaps more so than if Arroyo replaces Billups. After all, Carlos may dribble me to sleep but he can run a fast break...
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Old 12-30-2005, 02:07 AM
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CB for MVP

I'm with Pop on this one, Chauncy is in the conversation, and his performance so far demands that he is one of the handfull of players considered for this award.

However, getting dominated by White Chocolate just shouldn't be on your resume. He made CB look like a fool on offense and defense!

The only good thing is that when it counted, CB out performed him, but the glaring mistakes CB made on the fast break, and hoisting up ill advised 2's and 3's made me sick.

The short answer is that the award is relative. What's that old saying between two guys in the jungle?

"I don't have to out run the Lion, I just have to out run you"

That's the MVP award! It has to be given out, you just have to be better than the available candidates, not better than the greats that got the award.

I hope to see CB reach that level, he just isn't there yet(close).
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Old 12-30-2005, 02:31 AM
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Cool Mvp

I think were all conditioned sometimes on what an MVP is supposed to be. The Pistons makeup is so team oreinted that it hurts any individual recognition. BIllups is playing at a high level is counted on in the clutch. to hear that because J Will made some good plays on CB and he messed up a fast break he should not be considered c'mon thats plain simple.


You think last years Mp3 did not get abuse messed up a fast break I can assure you that Nash got abuse plenty and turned the ball over on fastbreaks. CB is in the top 3 right now for MVP and the reality of the matter is that he will not get it but if the team continues to win at this pace it will be a shame he does not get it. CB FOR Mp3!!!!!!!
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The best answer I have heard so far was spoken on tonights Stones-Heat TNT broadcast. "If I had to choose the MVP today it would be Chauncey".

He is the best player on the runaway best team. Without his contribution 3 other starters would not be as impressive.

History dosen't matter one iota cause you got to make a choice for this year.
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Criteria

Depends on the criteria. If you want to go on a strict value to the team basis in regards to how many estimated wins a certain player contributed then you can throw many of the past MVP awards out the window.

League seems to determine the MVP by heavily weighting offensive output, a teams success, and how many past MVP's the player has already won as the league does like to spread it out.

So C getting burned tonight does not factor in since he had 30 points 7 assists and his team won. Billups is a great defender. He has shut down Kidd, Nash, stopped Tinsley from having a good series in the 2nd round. He will have an off defensive night every so often. I still believe he is the best defensive point in the league.

But he will not win the MVP on his defense. He will have to continue his current offensive output and the Pistons must maintain the best record in the league. I believe the 2nd criteria is a must as it will take that for the league to give it to an off-brand guy like Billups.

I would love to see it. Be great to have a Pistons win it.
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Absolutely

The question is should CB be an MVP candidate. Not if he should win it. Personally, I doubt he will win it. If Kobe and the Lakers make any noise at all in the playoffs, they are going to give it to Kobe and his 40 point average. Ditto if AI makes any noise in the playoffs.(Unless we win over 70)

Back to CB. I believe he is one of the top five players on his own team. Not clearly the best, not clearly the most important. Actually, if he got hurt and did not play another game this season, I think the Pistons would roll right on along without him. But this does not matter. It may not be technically right, but having a player from this great team represent the team as the MVP of the league is perfectly ok.

Nash got it. Defense is not even in his resume. Halfcourt offense is barely in his resume, as actually it was Joe Johnson who operated as the point guard in their halfcourt sets that year. So basically Nash got the MVP on assists and his own shooting. And being on the right team at the right time.CB shoots, throws assists (with a much better assist to turn ratio than Nash had) runs the halfcourt sets just fine. Fast breaking he is not great at. Not terrible either, just not great. And he just might be on the right team at the right time. Not to mention that although not perfect, Billups plays defense a ton better than Nash does.

If the Pistons doing something unprecedented, like win more than 72 games, absolutely CB will win the MVP. They will be looking to give it to someone on the Pistons. CB, whether he is our most important player or not, is looked at like a quarterback, the guy who runs the team.

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Yup

I voted yes.

Chauncey is an MVP candidate.

But....

So is Tayshaun.
So is Rip
So is Sheed
So is Ben

If the bench comes to produce on a consistent basis so will they.

Simple.

Pistons are MVP's.

But we'll all settle for rings.
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I voted yes, but I may not be especially qualified to vote in this one at all, since I don't much like the MVP award -- either for the regular season or the Finals.

First of all, it's a team game, and everyone has an important role to play, right down to the twelfth man. (Yes, towel-waving and locker-room demeanour are part of what makes a team what it is.)

But secondly, as pointed out by max, everything revolves around how you define "Most Valuable Player". Best player on the best team? Best player in the league? The player whose team's performance would drop off most significantly in that player's absence? Personally, this last definition appeals to me the most, but not everyone will agree, and I'm sure there are other criteria by which the nominees might be measured.

Actually, based on that definition, I might pick Nash as MVP. I've been very impressed with how he's kept the Suns' motor running in Amare's absence, and I do think they would completely collapse without him. I'm not sure what would happen if Chauncey went down -- maybe I don't want to think about -- but there's no question he's doing a wonderful job of running the team just now, I'm convinced he's the best PG in the league at the moment, and on a team that's 24-3, he seems to me as good a candidate for MVP as anyone.
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Well folks, here is the poll you have been dying for.

My take;

CB is not MVP material. His best stats are 3 point shooting and Assist to turnover differential. Is that enough? Has his defense been as good as last year when he made the 2nd All-NBA defensive team?

Tonight, watching Chauncey running the break made me realize that MVP is a special award. It's the trophy for a player that changes a team. Has Chauncey become more important than Ben? or Sheed? or Rip?

Can you say Magic, Jordan, Olajuwon, Bird, Garnett, Duncan, Billups with a straight face?

The media LOVES Chauncey right now. He's riding a wave of popularity as the league and pundits desperately search our roster for a face to put on the tremendous regular season record thus far.

This MVP talk repulses me. The calls for 5 Pistons making the All-Star game pleases me. Even Flip tried to talk down Billups over the other guys tonight during the post game presser. When did this become the Detroit Chaunceys? I thought it was a "Piston thang" to take pride in the quality of all our starters and not being centered around one player.

I know this makes me sound like a hater, but this team is in trouble if Evans or Delfino has to play for Rip. Perhaps more so than if Arroyo replaces Billups. After all, Carlos may dribble me to sleep but he can run a fast break...
And Nash did what?? We just don't want Billups to get a big head. He has maintained control over his "any shot is a good shot" mentality. He brings a swagger to the team. We pride ourselves in having a "TEAM", so it seems like we figure that individual accolades may break down something that is going great.

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The award is a slap in the face of team play. But to all of your Questions-------------------------------F-yes, F-yeah and F'in A.
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