(10:43) [DET] McDyess Foul: Offensive (4 PF)
(10:43) [DET] McDyess Turnover: Foul (1 TO)
(10:01) [DET] Billups Turnover: Lost Ball (3 TO) Steal: Anderson (2 ST)
(8:52) [DET] B. Wallace Rebound (Off:1 Def:5)
(8:49) [DET] Team Turnover: Backcourt Turnover (TO)


That's why we couldn't score. Guys were throwing the ball away left an right. Delfino missed one shot at the shot clock buzzer. I can't see how he hurt the offense. Especially considering that he only touched the ball once. Sounds like a problem with Chauncey forcing the issue, and Dice commiting about 30 offensive fouls (it seemed).

The reason the Pistons lost this game is because Wade scored 17 points on consecutive possessions. Delfino was stopping Wade. That's all that needs to be said. You make it sound like Tayshaun was helping our offense. The difference is Chauncey made a couple shots when Delfino came out.

Lee, CB and Rip were not nailing their shots to the end. CB was turning it over when he tried to slash and Rip has a tendency to go cold in the 4th or at crunch time. I don't have any answers. But in this game the Heat wanted it more.

If Prince hits the last shot this thread has a different flavor.... hey they outpayed the best competition in the East for 3 1/2 qtrs on their court...
Most of the tough road games are behind them now...

Hell yes we miss EC!... make the phone call Joe... we can always trade DD... it's cold and heartless but it's smart business.... however we can beat the Heat as is.

Several lessons were learned today.... throwing Darko out there at Miami after being porcupine ass for the season isn't one of them.

It appeared to me that Tayshaun's last shot wouldn't have counted anyways. It was still in his hands as the clock expired.

And I agree about Elden. He was always good for 4-5 minutes of hearing very little from Shaq. Elden was the only guy that could keep him from performing his usual dunk-drill that he does against Ben/Sheed/Dice. He just pushed him 3-4 feet outside his comfort zone.

I apologize...I didnt gethome until 6:00Pm, so I watched my DVR(still a wonderful thang!!). No chat today....all 9 losses when I wasnt able to go PFC!(pistonsforumchat, squares!)...I am so mad for so many reasons>>>.
1. wade is GREAT and he should have been ours. I saw him at Marquette U. when 90% of yall didnt know who he was and then we pick this foriegn butt-hole named darko???!! If a player in my hood named Darko , came on 'my court', I wouldve bloodied his face. He's a punk , a nobody...and we would be defending champions for the next 6 years with wade or Bosh ...or even Hienrich!!!
2. NO FLIP....NOT ONE good coaching move in the second half. The LOs' were great and got punked by their coach on National TV. Bill and Rip are my boys but they still aint ALLTHAT, like Wade. We couldve used some serious bench play in the start of the 4th...BUT, NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
3. nO WAY tHE hEAT CAN BEAT US IN A 7 GAME SERIES and certainly not at home. we gave them 75% effort and 25% coaching and still almost won. What i hate was that we are now only "1" game up on the Spurs who showed how to win a game u r supposed TO WIN!!!
4. Tay better get some rear end by the playoffs or I will be In His face from now on!

I could go on...but......that last quarter has hurt my feelings too bad..

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I am still very angry about this game. Not that we lost, but how we lost.

I read somewhere (too much reading trying to find some closure to remember where) that with LB you had to play D to get on the court, with Flip you have to play "O".

This myth about the Pistons playing good defense has to be put to rest. They play defense in spots. There is no emphasis on defense from Sheed, CB or Tay. Their effort waxes and wanes game-to-game. The only guys playing with any defensive pride game in and game out has been Rip, Ben and recently Delfino.

How the heck does Wade score 17 straight without an adjustment? Without a timeout? Tay was left on an island, an island we know he cannot master as evidenced by last year's ECF.

In fact, with the exception of a few good regular season games, Tay's last great defensive stand was in the 2004 playoffs against Kobe. I'm not picking on Tay. I don't doubt he's giving a solid effort, but finishing the game with no fouls, and the coaching staff doing NOTHING to take Wade out of his game was STUPID.

Flip better get his act together. He better find a way to reign in these guys. CB's shot selection and offensive execution in the 4th Q has taken a dramatic step backwards since the New Year.

The players win and lose the game, but Flip is not making use of the bench (again no Hunter, after Flip mentions publically that LH will get run), Delfino taken out when all we really needed was to lock down Wade a little longer. Davis and Dice absent late in the game as usual, and THREE players with 40+ minutes.

And people think LB was too short and hard headed with his rotations...

I can handle losing to Utah, NJ, even Cleveland at home. I can understand dropping a game against Atlanta, and Indy is always scrappy without their main pieces.

But this was the Pistons game to win, and they folded. No stops, no execution, no clever substitutions, nothing. It was like watching water drain out of the kitchen sink after the dishes are done.

Still very, very mad. Either DW was proof positive tonight that Joe screwed up drafting Darko, or that Flip is not an adequate replacement as coach because this is the part of the season when the boys should really be hitting their stride and the rotation should be somewhat sorted.

Is Flip in over his head in the Eastern Conference? Are the starters running the show?

All I know is that we have dropped our last 4 against EC contenders. Miami, Indy, Cleveland and New Jersey. And that makes me ill. We've got 9 more games against these teams.

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I am upset with Flip and not only for witholding the guy who was doing a job on Wade. When Shaq has energy like he did today, Ben can't even slow him down. Sheed was very little better. Dice was like a rag doll to Shaq. Davis was totally ineffective. I am pissed at Flip for not trying Darko, just to see what would happen. I recall Darko effectively fronting Shaq. There was absolutely nothing to lose by trying this. Flip seems like a very stubborn person. We better figure this out before the playoffs cause if Shaq keeps his energy, he and Wade would be big trouble.

Lot of disturbing things. Too many Turns, Too many offsensive boards for Miami.

I don't know about not defending Wade. Seemed like he was defended well in the 4th he was just hitting tough shots.

Disturbing trends recently. Not enough D, Not going inside enough, taking too many 3's, too vulnerable on the glass. Lost 3 of 5 now.

Sorry, not quite done yet.

We got outboarded. Sure it was by a small margin but it happened again. Turnovers? We lost 13-4. Two starters combine for 8 points (Tay and Ben).

Dwyane Wade is a turnover machine. He had zero. That means no ball pressure. To put that in perspective, it's the FIRST TIME all year that DW has not had a turnover. Heck he's only had 5 games with only ONE turnover. This is a guy who averages a very solid 3+ TO per game.

Don't even get me started on the ageless wonder, Gary Payton or that Rip took only 2 shots in the 4th Q as our most consistent (and highest %) scoring threat.

Micro's angry Box Score link

No, the sky is not falling, but man I've been saying for ages that someone needs to push Tay for minutes, that he can't defend quick guys, that we need to work Hunter back into the lineup ASAP and it's starting to show signs of cracking.

Man, Flip had me totally onboard until recently. Now it looks like he's been coaching on autopilot. Hell, I could tell the Pistons to shoot whenever they have a shot. It doesn't take a wizard to do that.

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Micro,someone needs a beer or a nice massage... it's all good bro (no I ain't patronizing.. just hepin' a friend)... this is a gr8 team... and a solid coach...did LB have this kinda record?... let's save the serious stuff for the playoffs.