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Old 02-06-2007, 10:40 PM
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Re: Boston February 6th, 7:30PM

We came out with no purpose to start the game. Well, maybe the first play we had a purpose. Sheed posted up Scalabrini and scored easily. But then the next five minutes we forget the word post. Nothing but outside shots, quick shots in transition, and more outside shots. We managed to stay even at least.

Then, hey, some coaching kicked in. The ball started going into Webber, and Sheed sometimes, and we beat Boston handily. Webber has that outside shot going great, especially off glass. He scored 17 while only missing 4 shots, got 6 assists, five of those out of his post play. Post play, both scoring directly from the guy posting up, and outside shots 100% open from the post player getting a double team, and from cuts to the basket for easy scores off the post play, was the dominant theme for the Pistons tonight. Webber was simply brilliant. Sheed was not the star tonight, but he helped set the tone by fighting for post position along with Webber. Sheed sure appreciates the help.

Tay missed some of those outside shots I mentioned earlier, but he also hit some. He got another of those assists for a dunk from Rip that is becoming a regular feature in Pistons games.

Billups just facilitated for the most part, but he knocked down a key shot here and there.

Rip racked up 11 assists, something about Webber passing the ball is just contagious. Rip also scored about 12 points or so, mostly layups, maybe two outside shots made.
Dyess only missed one of his 10 shots. Pretty impressive, mostly his long range stuff, but some was out of the post-still fadeback shots, but from the post. His only miss was a blocked shot. In retrospect, the commish fundamentally changed the nature of the game with that new ball he tried to intoduce. Thank goodness common sense prevailed and they brought the old ball back quickly.

Delfino played his usual fine D, knocked down a couple of triples, scored on fast break. He helped with the ball handling chores with some success in the first half, but little success in the 2nd half. Still good to see him out there for both halves though.

Maxiell did not do well on offense, and teamed with Dyess both halves could not do a bit of good on the boards. Or a bit of good on interior D for the most part. He had some blocks and bothered shots, and thats about it. Missed all his shots. But still, it was great to see him play in both halves. He won't improve without getting to play. But should Flip go back to that unit, Hunter, Rip, Delfino, JMAX, Dyess ever again? Probably not. Here is what we could have done: Delfino at point, Tay at shooting guard, JMAX at small forward, Dyess at power forward, and Dale Davis at center to clear the glass. Just like Corliss, JMAX belongs at small forward due to lack of height.

Good win. A slight adjustment to eliminate Hunter from the rotation and moving Maxiell to small forward and it would have been over a lot quicker. Hunter did hit a triple, but supposedly he is a point guard. He did nothing as a point guard. Worse, despite all Hunter's minutes at guard tonight, Billups and Rip still end up with long minutes. This should have been close to an off nite for those two. Overall though, I thought things went pretty well in the coaching department. Both Maxiell and Delfino were kept in the entire 2nd quarter, and both played in the 4th quarter. Definitely a step in the right direction.

Rip is going to sacrificing some point stats, because we are going away from the constant plays to get Rip free, and now concentrating on getting whoever gets open with a nice easy shot off post play. Its Rip sometimes, sometimes Sheed. What a pass from Webber to Sheed for the dunk off Webber's drive in from the left post. Webber drew all the defenders with that completely under control drive and setup Sheed for the two easiest points of the night-not that there was not a lot of competition. Lots of easy shots. And now Rip expects those passes and is actually ready to lay the ball in. Must have been doing some practice.

The team has a lot of weopons out there on offense. Rip still as steady as ever on the midranger. Tay steadying out his shot. CB always dangerous. Sheed pretty deadly from the post. And CWEBB, great inside shots and range out to 18 feet or so. Then Dyess comes off the bench and can't miss. Delfino hits two straight triples-hope that keeps up. Just got that rotation fixed up a bit and this team is going to rock. GO PISTONS!!!!!
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:41 PM
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Re: Boston February 6th, 7:30PM

It was the bench guys who let in most of the damage, not the starters. Nothing to freak out over.

Stupid plays - allyoop dunk attempts and such. Maxiel and Hunter played real bad. Blame it all on Hunter. Actually has some truth to it. For the past couple of games the offense has died with Hunter running the point, he wastes so much time trying to set up a play only to dish it off to the guy next to him to find someone open. Problem is there usuallly less that 10 secs left at that point.

Looking at the time when the main guys were in there - they played pretty good. Great games from McDyess and Webber.

44 Piston points in the paint I believe.
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:45 PM
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Re: Boston February 6th, 7:30PM

seriously guys our bench sucks period. first we complain that the starters play too many minutes and then in the beginning of the fourth when we are up by 24, flip plays the bench and you guys are complaining. I wasnt surprised that they gave up a 13-0 run, but a win is still a win regardless. Flip could have played the starters for entire 4th quarter and we would have won by like 25, but he actually rested them because of the huge lead. Just take the win and stop complaining. We have won 4 straight now and the team is playing great basketball. Whats wrong with chilling out in the fourth if ur up by 24? Winning by 24 and overplaying the starters would have made you guys upset over the minutes. Now you guys find a way to complain on the win margin. Just take it and now time to meet Kobe and the Lakers for our 5th straight win.
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:48 PM
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Re: Boston February 6th, 7:30PM

It seems like Flip has a new toy. He's gone from running Chauncey into the ground to Rip. 42 min.

We need another back-up guard badly preferable someone who could play the 1 & the 2
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:49 PM
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Re: Boston February 6th, 7:30PM

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seriously guys our bench sucks period. first we complain that the starters play too many minutes and then in the beginning of the fourth when we are up by 24, flip plays the bench and you guys are complaining. I wasnt surprised that they gave up a 13-0 run, but a win is still a win regardless. Flip could have played the starters for entire 4th quarter and we would have won by like 25, but he actually rested them because of the huge lead. Just take the win and stop complaining. We have won 4 straight now and the team is playing great basketball. Whats wrong with chilling out in the fourth if ur up by 24? Winning by 24 and overplaying the starters would have made you guys upset over the minutes. Now you guys find a way to complain on the win margin. Just take it and now time to meet Kobe and the Lakers for our 5th straight win.
Good points.

We do need a backup guard though. The rest of the bench is fine except for that. In this game, the bench mainly played like the starters do when they are up by a ton so they have had a bad example to follow on many occasions.

Have to pull a deal for a backup guard and we will be fine. Hunter, Murry and Blaylock are not cutting it - have to pull that deal.
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Good points.

We do need a backup guard though. The rest of the bench is fine except for that. In this game, the bench mainly played like the starters do when they are up by a ton so they have had a bad example to follow on many occasions.

Have to pull a deal for a backup guard and we will be fine. Hunter, Murry and Blaylock are not cutting it - have to pull that deal.
Pistons extreme= best two starting guards to the worst three back-up guards
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Old 02-06-2007, 11:03 PM
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Pistons extreme= best two starting guards to the worst three back-up guards
Thing that I don't get. As much as Flip thought Ben bogged down his offense he seems to have no problem with Hunter.

Oh well, a win is a win.
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Re: Boston February 6th, 7:30PM

Hunter didn't want a max deal. And Hunter is Joe's buddy.
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Old 02-06-2007, 11:09 PM
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Re: Boston February 6th, 7:30PM

Lee,

Yes, when the ball goes to Webber, good things usually happen. We are not as likely to go into the drought with him in the flow and yes, the players are feeding off of his play. Better than the old playbook.

Yes, the Piston announcer got it right. Tay is open as he drives. With Chris, it is a lot harder to jam up our offense. Before, you could get up on Rip and Chauncey and hope that Sheed did not go down low and that was it. That one extra guy really matters expecially with someone of Chris's skills. And yes, the ball did wind up back now and again in the hands of our best long-ball shooter, Mr. Chauncey Billips.

On the second unit, no comment--I don't have a remedy.

I would still go for a lock-down perimeter guy and suffer with that unit's basic lack of offense. If we shore up the defense for the big run, we should now have enough offense overall.
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Re: Boston February 6th, 7:30PM

DD DNP
WB DNP
AJ DNP
NAZ DNP
FLIP JR DNP
SUPER DUPE DNP


What I think this boils down to is Flip's inability to come up with a rotation and stick with it. Why was Rip in with Jmax Delfino Hunter and Dyess when he could have been resting like the other starters? Why do we not take the timeouts when our 20 something lead starts to shrink and guys are playing like there is 20 seconds left instead of 6 minutes? Why don't we play DD and Nazr and Flip Jr when the other bench guys lose the lead instead of going right back to the starters who were already getting iced down? PISS POOR COACHING!

Flip needs to get it together. He needs to learn how to sub in and out regardless of the score or whatever match up he thinks he is taking advantage of. He needs to come to grips with the fact he is going to run our guys into the ground again why so he can prove a point to DD to not miss a shoot around (not even a practice but a shoot around)
I am hoping he leaves on his own after this year and takes that job at his alma freakin mater
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