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Old 02-06-2007, 11:10 PM
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Re: Boston February 6th, 7:30PM

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Hunter didn't want a max deal. And Hunter is Joe's buddy.
Joes's buddy Hunter should be sitting up there next to him and Jon Hammond in the comfy seats every game and not taking up space down on the bench or floor!!

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Old 02-06-2007, 11:22 PM
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Re: Boston February 6th, 7:30PM

If you want perfection in a game then break out the Hoops Playstation game because in a real game no one is perfect. I thought the Pistons played with lots of defensive intensity and all the offense looked really great with all the passing and high assists. This game was over by the half and the score looked close but the Celtics had quite a few threes and buckets with a foul. The Celtics did go on a run but it wasn't panic time or anything so I'm really happy the Pistons have their longest winning streak of the season. First time in a long time Delfino got in double digits in scoring and if he could have finished a few of his close in shots he would have been smoking. I did notice that no Celtic player made a basket when Delfino was defending him so give him his due for playing really good D. Chris Webber is so impressive with his on court savvy, he's like a fine wine, just gets better with age. Do you think he wakes up every morning pretty happy he signed with the Pistons?
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Old 02-06-2007, 11:23 PM
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Re: Boston February 6th, 7:30PM

i don't see what you guys are complaining about. we dominated boston, and they had 0 chance of winning. people were laughing at them at the palace, like when scalabrine hit a few shots.

simply put, it was no contest. flip tried a new lineup in the 4th and it didn't work because rip and dice were deferring to maxiell, delfino, and hunter. delfino and hunter threw some terrible lob attempts to maxiell, and maxiell had one of his worst games ever, missing easy shots and being unable to box out.

but there's nothing to get upset over from this game. let's be encouraged by how well we played when the game actually mattered in the 1st 3 quarters. 4th quarter was cruise control.
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Old 02-06-2007, 11:24 PM
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Re: Boston February 6th, 7:30PM

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DD DNP
WB DNP
AJ DNP
NAZ DNP
FLIP JR DNP
SUPER DUPE DNP


What I think this boils down to is Flip's inability to come up with a rotation and stick with it. Why was Rip in with Jmax Delfino Hunter and Dyess when he could have been resting like the other starters? Why do we not take the timeouts when our 20 something lead starts to shrink and guys are playing like there is 20 seconds left instead of 6 minutes? Why don't we play DD and Nazr and Flip Jr when the other bench guys lose the lead instead of going right back to the starters who were already getting iced down? PISS POOR COACHING!

Flip needs to get it together. He needs to learn how to sub in and out regardless of the score or whatever match up he thinks he is taking advantage of. He needs to come to grips with the fact he is going to run our guys into the ground again why so he can prove a point to DD to not miss a shoot around (not even a practice but a shoot around)
I am hoping he leaves on his own after this year and takes that job at his alma freakin mater
I will agree with some of this. However, just one little substition, rather than sitting all these bench guys, was all that was needed. Remember, Delfino and Maxiell still need the work. Dyess was our hottest shooter tonight. Yeah, I would prefer Rip on the bench, but if we could have held the lead for just 3 minutes, he could have sat the rest out.

Considering we stopped them not at all to begin the 4th quarter, why not just bring in Dale Davis, and moving everyone else down one step. Dyess goes from our center to power forward, a position much more natural for him. JMAX goes to small forward, where he can dominate. Delfino goes to shooting guard on defense, point on offense. Rip goes to point defense. As Rip is about our best point defender, how can that not work? Defensively, this is a far far stronger unit than what we ran. Offensively, you trade Dale Davis for Hunter. A wash, no. Dale Davis will take a player or two to keep off the offensive boards, freeing things up more than Hunter does. (Ok, so Hunter frees up nobody and bogs down the offense by not knowing what to do with the ball-trying to be a little kind though.)

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Old 02-06-2007, 11:25 PM
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Re: Boston February 6th, 7:30PM

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Yes, when the ball goes to Webber, good things usually happen. We are not as likely to go into the drought with him in the flow and yes, the players are feeding off of his play. Better than the old playbook.
This is just a hunch I have, but what we are seeing with Webber is not in the playbook. It's just 5 great players ballin'. Much like a lot of last year, when the Pistons thrived, they were asserting their talent. In the playoffs when things locked down and everyone turned to the playbook for inspiration, it was found lacking.

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Yes, the Piston announcer got it right. Tay is open as he drives. With Chris, it is a lot harder to jam up our offense. Before, you could get up on Rip and Chauncey and hope that Sheed did not go down low and that was it. That one extra guy really matters expecially with someone of Chris's skills. And yes, the ball did wind up back now and again in the hands of our best long-ball shooter, Mr. Chauncey Billips.
3 players with 6 or more assists. This is how the game is supposed to be played.

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On the second unit, no comment--I don't have a remedy.

I would still go for a lock-down perimeter guy and suffer with that unit's basic lack of offense. If we shore up the defense for the big run, we should now have enough offense overall.
I don't think a "lock down" guard exists anymore in this NBA. Defensively, without Davis, the second unit is massively overrated.

We could use a sharp shooting or slick passing energy guy off the bench. Heck, we could use Earl Boykins.
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Old 02-06-2007, 11:42 PM
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Re: Boston February 6th, 7:30PM

I think that kid Rondo had a lot to do with the C's run... he's really been coming on lately.
I had no problem with the rotations... other than Lindsey obviously didn't have it tonight... this is the same guy we were praising last game for impacting the defense.... if Delfino & Brahma are allowed to stink then so is LH (not that Carlos played bad tonight)... I don't think Hunter is willing to just defer the ball... it's got to be made painfully clear that Delfino needs to be the distributor when they are matched up together.

But you can't always have your bench and eat it too... they played badly and forced the coach to bring the starters back in.... if they played better then they would have saved some of Rips minutes... the other starters were all below their minutes average tonight.
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Old 02-06-2007, 11:43 PM
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Re: Boston February 6th, 7:30PM

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i don't see what you guys are complaining about. we dominated boston, and they had 0 chance of winning. people were laughing at them at the palace, like when scalabrine hit a few shots.

simply put, it was no contest. flip tried a new lineup in the 4th and it didn't work because rip and dice were deferring to maxiell, delfino, and hunter. delfino and hunter threw some terrible lob attempts to maxiell, and maxiell had one of his worst games ever, missing easy shots and being unable to box out.

but there's nothing to get upset over from this game. let's be encouraged by how well we played when the game actually mattered in the 1st 3 quarters. 4th quarter was cruise control.


I am pissed the starters had to come back in.
I am pissed Rip got over played when we had 3 guys in flip jr wb or super dupe who could have easily subbed in for him.
I am pissed guys were playing like the game was over and it was garbage time when there was way to much time left for that kind of stuff. Big difference when it’s the last minute and you are trying to send the fans home on a high note and 6 minutes left.
Yes it was a good win. Webber is looking like he fits in more and more. Guys are sharing the ball. It just got way to sloppy plain and simple.
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Old 02-07-2007, 01:02 AM
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Re: Boston February 6th, 7:30PM

Merc - not to get too off topic from the game thread.

We go through this every year with Hunter. Every year whatever coach we have uses him as the backup point and every year Dumars goes out searching for a new player.

I love his defensive plays every now and then but he is not enough as the main backup. It is a priority to move Mohammed for a backup guard so we will have to wait and see.
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Re: Boston February 6th, 7:30PM

Here is what we could have done: Delfino at point, Tay at shooting guard, JMAX at small forward, Dyess at power forward, and Dale Davis at center to clear the glass.
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I like it.

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Old 02-07-2007, 01:34 AM
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Re: Boston February 6th, 7:30PM

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I think that kid Rondo had a lot to do with the C's run... he's really been coming on lately.
As in Rondo, the Celts +/- leader on the season? Are you feeling it? You really have to watch a player for an extended period of time to see why they are effective when they aren't doing with pure scoring ability.

At this point, I don't really care if the Pistons play sloppy. As long as they get the win, I'm happy.

This is the first year since 2002 that I don't feel like we can win it all. So I'm just trying to enjoy each game. I still think Dale Davis will be the answer to our lack of backbone if he ever gets utilized. But I don't think he will.

Webber is looking great now... but I feel that there will be a week of reckoning in the playoffs when another team makes everything that he does irrelevant.

And I'm in no way in love with any part of Nazr's game, but throw him a bone too when you're up 20. I don't know how a guy goes from starting every freakin game to pure garbage overnight.
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