The problem is Lindsey has "bad nights" more than anyone on the team, and as a ball-dominating PG, you just can't have that. He's not a playmaking passer, and he's not a scorer. So, while the Pistons are trying to force bad shots and turnovers, they're letting the other team get out on the break for easy scores. At his position, and with his style of play, he can't just have good games 1 out of every 5. Even on "good games" (where he makes some defensive plays), he still craps on the offense, so it ends up a wash.

He's the perfect guy to bring in for 20 seconds for a defensive stop at the end of quarters. That's about it.

And yes, Max had probably his worst NBA game this year. His effort on the glass and getting back in transition was awful. Not to mention he didn't finish any of his shots.

I have always said the major knock on Flip is he has very poor substitution patterns.

He seems as though he doesn't have a plan or a clue when it comes to what subs/combinations to play.

He better get it right before the playoffs begin.

Secondly, our bench played horrific, again we need a back up PG/SG badly. What cha waiting on Joe, get er done.

I must be the only person in this Forum Family besides ArmyGirl that works a 8 hr day and goes to workout for 2 hrs after their done. (In the Army, its 6AM workouts BEFORE work)These guys get paid millions to play 30-45 minutes a night!!! I'm really tired of saying we overwork Rip and Chauncey. Rip played the slowest 42 minutes I ever seen last night. Wilt once AVERAGED 48.4 MPG IN ONE SEASON (He played every minute including overtimes!) DWade avgd 44MPG in the playoffs last year and has a ring and an Olympic medal in his pocket. What do you think those guys are doing today while Im out here in 35degree weather working? Give the MPG's a break. If you are areal man , it means nothing. Crybabies and sissies sit, Men and players PLAY!!!....IMFHO!

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Eh hem. Did you get the day off today or something?

I hear ya HQ... the fatigued leg syndrom strikes again... how will they ever rest up on their off days.... whew, exhausting I tell ya.
Before someone goes on a rant about the abuse your body takes in games... I'm well aware (intense two hour practices are harder than the games)... unless you're nursing an injury it's not that bad.

Oh yeah, sorry they didn't win the game good enough last night...lol

In fact, I think it's unacceptable that Pistons fans should demand anything less than Wilt Chamberlain minutes, Wilt Chamberlain points, Wilt Chamberlain rebounds, Wilt Chamberlain plus/minus, Wilt Chamberlain star power, a different Wilt Chamberlain girl every game, good for three to sixteen gratuitous closeups with accompanying individualized digital graphics package while the other team's shooting free throws, and Wilt ChamberlainGilbert Arenas unbelievably narcissistic interviews with the media from every Piston starter.

Ok, some of you guys just go overboard. At least wait until the guy costs us games. We do not have games that just boil down to Lindsey Hunter being on the floor. Nevermind the fact that he doesn't get nearly enough minutes to be the on-the-floor cancer you guys are playing him out to be. Aroyyo is a "ball dominating" PG. The same can hardly be said for Hunter at ANY stretch of his career.

..and to actively plan to play a guy for potentially 80 secs. a night is just silly.

You guys really have forgotten quickly just how bad Murray was.

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And the bench too.

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I workout 3 times a week for about 1/2 hour, but I have not for the past week since it got so cold out. And I took almost a year off since starting again last month.

Anyway, good points on the mins when you consider what other player put in. No Piston starter has ever broken top 10 in MPG since we started complaining about it a few years ago.

Not everyone's body (or mind) has the same tolerances. Nor, for that matter, are the Pistons' starters nearly as good as everyone in Detroit likes to believe they are.

And as for Lindsey Hunter, losing us games is almost impossible to quantify. Until you get Mark Madsen jacking up ten threes for lottery balls, nobody can make any argument that would convince a player's fans that that player is causing his team to lose the game.