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Old 01-14-2006, 03:15 PM
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Re: Detroit at San Antonio - Jan 12th, 2006

Lee, no way Evans was a big story in the SA game. He is not that important a player in general and was not in this game. I agree that talking about the starters is not a story as much since we know what they can do. I agree that you have been pointing out the better use of Sheed this year something that I have been harping on too. I have no problem with your reports in general. In response to your analysis of why we did well in the beginning of the 2nd quarter and not the 4th quarter leaves out the element of momemtum. We were on a game-winning blitz from the end of the first into the second. By the 4th quarter and the 2nd half, the entire offense was stalled except for Sheed and Rip on occasion and if anything, you should be critical of Chauncey. We only scored 33 points in the second half. If there is a story there, it could be that SA still stopped our offense in the second half (not just because of Evans) but I choose to look at this game in its totality and I think that they can no longer stop us for a whole game. Back to Evans, I don't disagree with a lot of your criticism of Evans. But, for accuracy, that play in the 1st quarter was huge. Call it lucky if you want, but it was huge and the SA players themselves are pointing to the offensive boards for their demise. As I said, we don't always get to see every game and I wouldn't have picked that up if I didn't see the game. Ok, Evans had his usual poor game but he got a lucky big play rebound in the 1st quarter. Finally, Tay did not impress me at the point--I would rather have Arroyo in that role.
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Re: Detroit at San Antonio - Jan 12th, 2006

here is a summary of lee's reports:

delfino in the game:

- if we score points, it's because delfino helped
- if the other team scores points, it wasn't delfino's fault

evans in the game:

- if we score points, it isn't because evans helped
- if the other team scores points, it was evans' fault
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here is a summary of lee's reports:

delfino in the game:

- if we score points, it's because delfino helped
- if the other team scores points, it wasn't delfino's fault

evans in the game:

- if we score points, it isn't because evans helped
- if the other team scores points, it was evans' fault
And thats the truth, as I see it, in a nutshell. So far, I do not see why Flip likes to play Evans. Maybe some potential he sees in the guy in practice that so far is just not translating into game time. Heck, we were all very hopeful about the guy at first. But I see more and more posters posting negatively about the guy. So just maybe I got something right?
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Prince at point, more on game

After reviewing the game a few times, I got around to looking closely at how Prince did as our point guard for the 6 or 7 minutes from the end of the 1st quarter to halfway thru the 2nd quarter. Not bad. Delfino was less involved than I thought the first couple of times I watched. He really only had the one drive toward the top of the key with the dish to Dyess. Otherwise, Tay kept the ball, and made the passes to trigger the plays. We zipped up to a 20 point lead (from 13 up) with Tay in at point. Can't complain about that. We still had an 18 point lead well into the 2nd quarter. And without a blown call by the official, it would have still been an 18 point lead. (Assuming Delfino makes his free throws after Duncan shoved him to the floor.

Man, the more I watch that play, the madder at thr refs I get. And the league as an extension. This shove was way too obvious. Getting superstar calls is one thing, but both Ginobili and Duncan got away with seriously endangering our players in this game with on call at all. Horry should flat out got a suspension for throwing Rip to the floor too. No way that was jus a routine foul. A hard foul is one thing. Grabbing a guy and throwing him on the floor is way out of line. Ok, got that out of my system.)
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Re: Ecellent reading comprehension

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And thats the truth, as I see it, in a nutshell. So far, I do not see why Flip likes to play Evans. Maybe some potential he sees in the guy in practice that so far is just not translating into game time. Heck, we were all very hopeful about the guy at first. But I see more and more posters posting negatively about the guy. So just maybe I got something right?
There you have it. Digest the game reports with that in mind. It ain't changin.
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In my opinion, Ginobili intentionally struck Rip across the face. He did swipe at the ball, but it seemed to me he then changed directions in his down swing to catch Rip real hard. This kind of goes along with Horry flat out throwing Rip onto the floor. SA fans out there, please let the SA team know this type of dirty play degrades your team and the sport of basketball. Clean up your act.

Concerning Evans play in the 2nd half. We did get an assist out of a time out, when Evans first came into the game. And we got an assist immediately out of the end of quarter break. But other than that, we did not even smell an assist while Evans was in the game. We only scored one time in the first 6 minutes of the 4th quarter, and that was again, rigth out of the end of quarter break. This is not to slam Evans. Detroit was using that time to try to get Evans involved in our offense. Maybe he is a slow learner. Whatever, but that was what was going on. In the first half, we managed to get assists while Evans was in the game, by completely leaving Evans out of the plays.

Probably the most impressive play of the game was when Tay got the rebound, dribbled all the way down, thru traffic, and layed it in using all that length. I guess the 12 rebounds was a career high for Tay.

Delfino was fouled by Duncan on that drive. It looked clean around the ball, but Duncan shoved Delfino in his side or that would have been two points for us, and a spectacular play by Delfino. Instead, we got yet another blown call by the officials and Flip took Delfino out of the game after that.

That 2 from the corner off the feed from Dyess after an offensive rebound was a high archer. Looked good. Delfino's one longer range try missed well long. It was from a foot or two inside the line. Note, thats one shot such shot for the game, about all Delfino ever gets. Sure would like to see him get a chance to heat up in a game.

In one sequence, it seemed we got about 5 offensive rebounds. But could not score. Evans got one of those. I guess my question is, what good is getting the rebound if you can't score. Well, if you are way up in the score, it certainly kills a lot of clock. That fourth quarter started with both Evans and Ben Wallace on the floor. Maybe this is a bad combo. One guy who can't handle the ball, and so you would not want to pass to. And one guy who can't shoot the ball, Ben, who again, you really don't want to pass the ball to. Kind of limits the options in an offensive set.

No, I did not count Rip's picks. Probably next time thru. One of Sheed's threes was from a few feet back of the line.

CB did take a lot of shots. Shots he can make, but yes, a little forced too. Here is what I got to say about that. Same as always pretty much. CB is a scorer. To some extent, a shooter. Shooters shoot. It is what keeps their shot healthy. Someday, some defense is going to really tighten up on us, and Billups is going to have take those very same shots. So keep on shooting CB. As long as it is within reason, keep on honing that great weopon you have, your outside shot. All shooters have bad games. But they keep on shooting. Maybe you say Billups is not that great a shooter, and so this does not apply to him. But who is to say Billups can't become that kind of great shooter if he keeps practicing to become one.
rip and sheed would of killed horry and ginobili if they fought it out. even though chauncey had the biggest match-up advantage, he didn't totally take advantage but the pistons still won goes to show you how deep this team is. chauncey still did way better than parker with 14 assists to tony's 0. chauncey had a very uncharacteristic 6 turnovers though.
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