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Re: Detroit vs. New York - Thurs. Jan 19th 2006

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Once again I direct you to the reactions of the key players to Darko's successes. I think this is based on a respect for his talent and not a sign of personal fraudulence.

This kid is down because of the way he was treated. If he gets twenty minutes a game next year--somewhere else--he will be a top ten player in 3-4 years and will be the best center in the NBA in six.
You imply that Chauncey was either being completely honest -- or "fraudulent" -- when he lavished praise on Darko a few months ago. But there is also a third possibility: Chauncey may have been trying to build Darko up, even while harboring some private doubts about his talent. There is nothing dishonorable about overpraising a player to try to make him perform better.

If you are suggesting that Darko's confidence has been undermined by his lack of playing time here, then I think I can agree with you.

I hope you are right about his future in the NBA.
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Re: Detroit vs. New York - Thurs. Jan 19th 2006

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They need him in there if only to get JMax enough free throw attempts to finally get a point !!!
Yea, because Darko's 37.5% at the line this year is real Chauncey Billups-esque
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Re: Detroit vs. New York - Thurs. Jan 19th 2006

It just doesn't matter. Every game thread, every discussion, every Pistons conversation turns into a Darko debate.

If only the kid could dominate the offensive glass the way he dominates cyberspace.
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Re: Detroit vs. New York - Thurs. Jan 19th 2006

Amazing how the DHOF club rags about the legitimate observations offered by Alridge, Thompson and Barkley. If those three shared their view, they'd be all over their jockstraps. The truth hurts don't it?
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Re: Detroit vs. New York - Thurs. Jan 19th 2006

darko won't do good here. end of discussion if everyone hasn't seen that yet you should look more closely.
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Re: Detroit vs. New York - Thurs. Jan 19th 2006

I think you can doubt he will be a good player, but I don't think you can doubt he has talent. However, some of the most talented players in the world can't make it at this level. Talent has to be followed with mental toughness. That’s why the the Kwame Browns are always Kwame Brown. I remember watching an episode of “And 1” on ESPN. Mike James was getting schooled by a few of them guys, but they could never make it in NBA. These are not only the greatest athletes but the stars are the most mentally tough also. Question is can Darko become mentally tough in Detroit, or does he have to go somewhere else with a chip on his shoulder. I hope he makes it somewhere, but I worry he was an 18 year old who had his confidence crushed by LB.
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Re: Detroit vs. New York - Thurs. Jan 19th 2006

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Does that mean you finally accept Sheed?
I've always been a Sheed fan. Even when he was in Portland.

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Tipping in an offensive rebound infront of Curry and Frye doesn't count? Not backing down from Mutombo? How bout if he grows a goatee?
Are we talking about an undrafted free agent, or the second coming of Kevin Garnett. Because if it is the former, I'm impressed. The latter, whoopity-doo!

The goatee worked for Pau Gasol. But then Gasol was a European star before he got here and rookie of the year in the NBA so everything did not hinge on hairstyle or grooming habits.

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6 points, 3 boards, 1 assist in 6 minutes? Sounds like a start. If Darko couldn't play, why hasn't Joe traded him or cut him loose like he did with Rodney White and Mateen Cleaves?
Dude, it was garbage time. One of maybe 5 times he has shown an effort in garbage time. Let's not make this the stuff of legend. Jmax has come in and lit up people in garbage time and he hardly gets this kind of pub. And he was a late first rounder considered second round talent.

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Which theory is that, that Darko can't play, or Darko doesnt try?
Take your pick.

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Darko is avg more ebounds per minute than Jmax and Sheed, that isn't a problem. And 7 footers dont run back as the third guy trailing, don't think I've ever seen Shaq do it, even once.
Wow. You compared DMC to a late first rounder, our catalyst for the championship run in '04 and the most dominant player in the last 10 years. If I had the inclination, it would be easy to find a dozen things Sheed and Shaq do better. But that is besides the point. Running hard out on the break is what guys who are "into" the game do.

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Are you judging how he looks, Tay has the same look on his face.
Nope. Tay always played well in any time he got in his rookie year. He never stopped working. Facial expressions are bonus.

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What confuses me so much is why after finally having a good game, people are even more eager to ship him out.
Because he is building trade value.

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Last I checked, he's not hurting the team, unlike some people actually playing. So until he's a problem to the team either on the court or off the court, I have no problem rooting for him.
His salary is an albatross. It's something his biggest fans always manage to neglect when discussing him. Fiscal reality hurts. It would be great if we could discuss players outside of their contract value, but if you are being honest about evaluation, it is key, particularly for a team built to be under the cap and an owner who demands spending restraint.
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Re: Detroit vs. New York - Thurs. Jan 19th 2006

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Yeah, it sure doesn't take any insight into the game and players to be, perhaps, the best point guard in the game. And of course, he was never the NBA player that John Thompson was.
Actually their numbers are remarkably close for the first 2 years. Perhaps Thompson can recognize another player who "can't play"?

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Come to think of it, Thompson's probably jealous of Darko because the later at 17 was a better NBA player than he was.
Considering neither was an NBA player at 17, that's pure speculation.

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Once again I direct you to the reactions of the key players to Darko's successes. I think this is based on a respect for his talent and not a sign of personal fraudulence.
I've never questioned DMC's talent, although his legendary shooting touch is mostly form, and a lot of rim. It's putting it all together to be a player in the league. Preparation, desire, consistency, attitude. You know, intangibles. The stuff in a man's breast and between his ears.

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This kid is down because of the way he was treated. If he gets twenty minutes a game next year--somewhere else--he will be a top ten player in 3-4 years and will be the best center in the NBA in six.
I find it amazing that you would say he will be the best center in the NBA in six years, above anyone entering the league in the next 5 years. Is the crystal ball rented or a family heirloom?
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Re: Detroit vs. New York - Thurs. Jan 19th 2006

darko should gain a couple minutes. if he performs well again he should become a good rotation player. darko needs to understand nothing is going to be handed to him especially since he's on a championship team.
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Both Billups and Arroyo ran the offense just fine thru their first stints. Arroyo did not return to the game until garbage time.

Billups took the ball down the floor 17 times. On 16 of the trips, the Pistons got good shots on the trip down. Now, if we had a bad shot, but got the offensive rebound, and then got a good shot, I still count that as a good shot for the trip. And if you get a good shot, but miss, and then get an offensive board, you already have been credited with a good shot, and what happens further does not matter for that trip down. The only time we did not get a good shot was from CB's turnover. CB left the floor with us up 21-11 after 10 minutes of play. Plus 10.

Arroyo, in the first half, took the ball up the floor 20 times in 8 minutes of playing time. On 18 of those 20 trips, we got a good shot. We outscored the other team 12 to 10 during this time. Plus 2 for Arroyo.

Note, our team just made 6 shots during this 8 minutes, although they took about 18 shots. So we just shot around 33%. But we still kept the lead the same and even bumped it up a couple of points.

Now, those were some good shots taken. Dyess wide open a couple of times. Evans in the corner wide open. Rip on a wide open midranger. Yes, there were defenders there, but none within about a foot and a half of him. These shots, good shots, were simply missed.

Now, as for Arroyo's control of the ball, did he do anything all that fancy? Nope. He threw a pass, a guy happened to move over and the ball hit the back of the guys head. Complete accident. Arroyo palmed the ball for his other turn. Nothing all that fancy. Nothing King James don't get away with regularly. Just palming the ball. His other two turns were in completely meaningless garbage time so I won't even bother to review that.

Let me break this down in a bit more detail. Arroyo came in with 4 starters with 2 minutes to go in the game. On three posessions, we scored 3 straight times, pushing the lead to 15 (from 10).

To start the 2nd quarter, the following unit played for 2.5 minutes. Arroyo, Rip, Delfino, Dyess, Ben. This unit got outscored 6 to 3. They got five darn good shots off on five trips down the floor. They just were not hitting the shots.

From 9:30 to 6:00 of the 2nd, the following unit played. Arroyo, Delfino, Evans, Dyess, Sheed. They were even at 2-2. Just two points scored off 4 good shots taken on 6 trips down the floor. The pass off the guys head took place here. But the Pistons had just taken a good shot and missed, getting the offensive rebound. So for this trip, the good shot was already credited. And the palming occurred here. And that bad call on the official. (But note, it was by no means and obvious call. In slow mo, yes, its obvious that the Knick swiped his hand just over the ball. In real time however, especially from the original angle shown, it looks like the Knick player slapped it out. We got the call, so it was not a turn.
Good break down Lee....when people talk about "quality" minutes, they can go 2 u for lessons.
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