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Nice sum-up Berbs, pretty stupid collecting a few $mil. while picking splinters out of his ass....

 
 
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Old 01-08-2006, 08:21 PM
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Re: Utah at Detroit - January 7th, 2006

Nice sum-up Berbs, pretty stupid collecting a few $mil. while picking splinters out of his ass.
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Don't try to fool yourself.
So you are saying that those hypnotism sessions are a waste of money?

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Darko remains the hottest topic around here.
I know. We tried to alter the culture to talking about something interesting like standings, stats or salaries, but it just won't take.

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And an extremely important one. With out bigs routinely getting overplayed, absolutely Darko playing is a huge subject. And with us having to face Shaq and Duncan in the playoffs, absolutely Darko is an important subject. Don't be lulled to sleep by Shaq not doing well at the moment. Remember, the playoff schedule is light, and is going to favor the big man in that he will have plenty of rest, and plenty of energy, to score on us. And score on us. And score on us.
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So unless you think championships are not important, the subject of Darko remains very big.
I think Darko will remain big IRREGARDLESS. Unless someone invents a shrink ray, like in Honey I Shrunk The Kids.

Here is a prophetic vision to go alongside yours. No CB, no championship. Heck, here is another one. No Sheed, no championship. One more for the road, No Flip, no championship.

I'm thinking to start a Darvin Ham Genius Club. The only requirements will be that you have to agree that Darvin Ham has to be on the roster or we do not make the Finals.
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Re: Utah at Detroit - January 7th, 2006

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more of the company line. different rules for darko than the other players.

mo evans is certainly playing through mistakes. mcdyess was allowed to play through mistakes.
BS. Mo Evans gets to play through mistakes because we absolutely NEED some production behind Rip/Tayshaun. And look at what is happening with Delfino proving he is capable? Mo's minutes are steadily decreasing. Delfino is doing it the hard way, just and Darko has to. He's working hard in practice and playing well in games. We aren't playing him just to play him. We're playing him because we need his production.

As for McDyess, he earned his minutes last year where he was fantastic all year. Just because a player starts slow doesn't mean you give up on him. It's not like he was making huge mistakes like Darko does. He just wasn't hitting his open shots. He did the same thing last year. Started slow, then came on strong mid-season. We're not going to bench him for that.

Darko doesn't fill a NEED. Ben, Sheed, and Dice are plenty capable of filling all of the PF/C minutes. When he was getting minutes at the beginning of the season those were his "freebie" minutes to go out there and get something done. Prove that this team NEEDS him. He didn't. Darko's biggest problem is his rebounding. He either doesn't care or he just sucks at it. Either way it translates as putting out very little effort out there.

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BS. Mo Evans gets to play through mistakes because we absolutely NEED some production behind Rip/Tayshaun. And look at what is happening with Delfino proving he is capable? Mo's minutes are steadily decreasing. Delfino is doing it the hard way, just and Darko has to. He's working hard in practice and playing well in games. We aren't playing him just to play him. We're playing him because we need his production.

As for McDyess, he earned his minutes last year where he was fantastic all year. Just because a player starts slow doesn't mean you give up on him. It's not like he was making huge mistakes like Darko does. He just wasn't hitting his open shots. He did the same thing last year. Started slow, then came on strong mid-season. We're not going to bench him for that.

Darko doesn't fill a NEED. Ben, Sheed, and Dice are plenty capable of filling all of the PF/C minutes. When he was getting minutes at the beginning of the season those were his "freebie" minutes to go out there and get something done. Prove that this team NEEDS him. He didn't. Darko's biggest problem is his rebounding. He either doesn't care or he just sucks at it. Either way it translates as putting out very little effort out there.
Believe it or not, there are stat sites that track rebounding just a little bit better than raw numbers.

Rebounding can be looked at by what percent of available rebounds do you get. Believe it or not, Darko is doing just fine on rebounding. Let me know if you don't have the wherewithall to look up the data yourself.
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Believe it or not, there are stat sites that track rebounding just a little bit better than raw numbers.
That's so true. There are sites that track almost everything.

If you want, I can give you a site that tracks the most common causes of brain cell death.
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When he was getting minutes at the beginning of the season those were his "freebie" minutes to go out there and get something done. Prove that this team NEEDS him. He didn't. Darko's biggest problem is his rebounding. He either doesn't care or he just sucks at it. Either way it translates as putting out very little effort out there.
You're right. He did get some burn before his horrible effort vs. the Knicks. I don't remember him doing much spectacular before that, but I don't get to see every game. I looked back at his stats and nothing really jumps out. He played well in the preseason, but that's the, well, the preseason. You can only point to preseason play for so long. He looked OK in very limited time vs. the Raptors. Something must be going on in practice that we're not privy to that has hurt his standing with the coach and president. Detroit media should be peppering Joe and Flip with more questions about it, but I guess they have to keep their eye on the ball. It's really about the team, isn't it?
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Re: Utah at Detroit - January 7th, 2006

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BTW, I am in agreement that if the chase to 70 is going to happen at the expense of player development and championship readiness....then this may ultimately be a loss we needed to have.
if we can continue the pace (woulda been nice to win last night and get another game ahead of SA though since they lost) and secure homecourt with 5-10 games left, the bench will get quite a bit of development.

remember we're currently using a 9-man rotation and that's without using davis and that's without hunter...but it's hard to imagine we'd have a playoff roster 11-deep, especially with extended timeouts and starters w/the ability to play longer, which is why i'm not against a 3-for-2 or 2-for-1 trade to improve the bench.
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I am really sorry, guys, but it appears that we have hijacked another thread and made it into a Darko one. But if I reply somewhere else, we wouldn't know where it is .
I've recently considered the way threads get side-tracked. I decided to re-direct my last post to a more suitable thread. See my 10:36pm post in the 'Flip and the bench' thread...that's my solution to the problem. Micro...any other work-arounds?


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Sorry again, guys. Can't keep my mouth shut until you all agree with me .
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Re: Darko minutes

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Something must be going on in practice that we're not privy to that has hurt his standing with the coach and president. Detroit media should be peppering Joe and Flip with more questions about it, but I guess they have to keep their eye on the ball. It's really about the team, isn't it?
I agree that there is more going on here than meets the eye. It is quite unusual for either Joe D. or Flip to criticise a player publicly, and now both have done so with respect to Darko within a few weeks of one another. First, Flip went public with a negative comments about Darko's lack of effort, and now Joe D. has made negative comments about the quality of his play to S.I. (see link provided by Micro above). My guess is that Joe and Flip have concluded that Darko has a fairly serious attitude problem, and that some or even most of this concern is based on his behaviour in practices, team meetings, etc. If they were just concerned about his play (as opposed to his attitude), I do not think they would have gone public with their criticisms.

Last year, Darko really did seem to be sulking at times while on the bench, and his frequent lack of enthusiasm for what his teammates were doing on the court was in marked constrast to, say, the kind of cheerleading Sheed regularly engages in when he is sitting on the bench. I have not paid much attention to Darko's demeanor on the sidelines this season, so I cannot really comment on whether there's been a change for the better (or for the worse) in that regard.

I thought earlier that this might be a kind of breakout year for Darko, but that now seems to be a very remote possibility. It may be that if he has any chance of success in the NBA, it will have to be with a different team.
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Re: Utah at Detroit - January 7th, 2006

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I've recently considered the way threads get side-tracked. I decided to re-direct my last post to a more suitable thread. See my 10:36pm post in the 'Flip and the bench' thread...that's my solution to the problem.
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Micro...any other work-arounds?
Yeah, well Zoso and I can forego the work we do daily like the news and updating fantasy stuff, developing the board etc. to move posts. Not a good idea. Plus there is the inevitable, "You are censoring me! What about free speech! I'll post where I want want!" lashback that can only be cured with booze and a lot of aspirin (preferably at the same time).
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