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buddahfan · #51 (**permalink**) 01-05-2008, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Warthog

the scary thing is that toronto played a very, very solid game, yet still lost by 15. at home.

pistons are looking reaaaaaally good.

The Raptors would be a lottery team in the Western Conference.

There are four good teams in the East

Pistons
Celtics
Magic
Cavs

The rest are mediocre or worse.

Right now Utah is a lottery team. They have a better record than every team in the EC except for the Pistons, Celtics and Magic.

In addition we haven't beaten the Jazz in over 2 years.

ggazoo69 · #52 (**permalink**) 01-05-2008, 06:41 AM

Regarding Amir Johnson: If I'm Bill Davidson I'm wondering why a guy I'm paying $3 million is sitting on the bench and not being developed except in practice.

Bill to Joe D: "Now, Joe, we made a big deal about re-signing this guy for three years. I don't want to meddle, but as the owner of this team I'm beginning to get curious as to what I am paying for. You may remember that we drafted another guy No. 2 a few years back and he only played in garbage time, too. I want to know what I'm paying for. I'm happy with the team's performance and the stands are filled, but what about the future? In my business, I have always utiltized short-term assets but have also developed long term ones as well. Why can't my basketball team do the same?"

Fact of the matter is, Amir could have definitely played a few minutes last night and given that the Pistons were on the front end of a back to back, AJ shoulda been in there instead of Brezec. Flip's an idiot. There are only certain guys he trusts. He's not willing to let people go in there and mess up to learn anything. Gotta side with Lee on this one, the kid needs to be allowed to make some mistakes and play. Like dlev says, I don't think this matters much in the scheme of winning a 'ship. But it matters down the road. There's too much emphasis on the here and now.

And with the Pistons playing with so much confidence now, they could probably overcome some Amir screw-ups.

NYPistonFan729 · #53 (**permalink**) 01-05-2008, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ggazoo69

Regarding Amir Johnson: If I'm Bill Davidson I'm wondering why a guy I'm paying $3 million is sitting on the bench and not being developed except in practice.

Bill to Joe D: "Now, Joe, we made a big deal about re-signing this guy for three years. I don't want to meddle, but as the owner of this team I'm beginning to get curious as to what I am paying for. You may remember that we drafted another guy No. 2 a few years back and he only played in garbage time, too. I want to know what I'm paying for. I'm happy with the team's performance and the stands are filled, but what about the future? In my business, I have always utiltized short-term assets but have also developed long term ones as well. Why can't my basketball team do the same?"

Fact of the matter is, Amir could have definitely played a few minutes last night and given that the Pistons were on the front end of a back to back, AJ shoulda been in there instead of Brezec. Flip's an idiot. There are only certain guys he trusts. He's not willing to let people go in there and mess up to learn anything. Gotta side with Lee on this one, the kid needs to be allowed to make some mistakes and play. Like dlev says, I don't think this matters much in the scheme of winning a 'ship. But it matters down the road. There's too much emphasis on the here and now.

And with the Pistons playing with so much confidence now, they could probably overcome some Amir screw-ups.

I think that flip doesn't like amir's game. It would have been perfect to put amir in instead of brezec.

alexa032 · #54 (**permalink**) 01-05-2008, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by FreshPrince22

We all know what went well (the players). But even in winning 11 in a row, Flip gets on my nerves. He absolutely MUST bring the bench in earlier in the 1st and 3rd quarters. There are very few teams in the league with the kind of depth on this roster, and there are very few teams that run their starters through the entire 1st and 3rd quarter and then some.

The Pistons would be in a much better situation every night if Flip started bringing guys in at the 4-5 minute mark of the 1st and 3rd. That way they'd have a solid 8-9 minutes or so before Flip gets scared @ the 7-8 minute mark in the 4th. As is, they come in early in the 4th, and only have a matter of a couple minutes before Flip yanks them for the starters.

And Primoz on Andrea Bargnani?? Does Flip think just because he's tall and white that Primoz can guard him? Amir is a much better matchup there. Bargs is a perimeter player. Does playing out of control really win you the minutes on this team, or does Flip just dislike Amir by default?

Dice with 34 minutes again in a game where he didn't really have it going. He's up to about 31mpg for the year. He is not made for that. These 30+ minute games should be coming in June, not January.

I agree. He needs to trust the bench more; and I don't get why Arron couldn't have played more - the kid has proven he can play and has earned a spot in the rotation - but he only got 4 minutes. And, I don't buy the argument that Flip doesn't play Amir because his defense isn't good enough - because if that were the case, Brezec, whose defense is like a sieve, would not be playing ahead of him. I agree with Lee, max and ggazoo on this: A 3-big man rotation won't be enough come playoffs.
I agree that Flippy does seem to dislike Amir - he never rewards him for good performances and when he does compliment him, it's always with some veiled criticism thrown in.

Nemo · #55 (**permalink**) 01-05-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ggazoo69

Regarding Amir Johnson: If I'm Bill Davidson I'm wondering why a guy I'm paying $3 million...........zzzzzzzz

Ooops he fell asleep again.

Regarding Bill Davidson's thoughts: I'm wondering how Joe Dumars is able to make me 25 million per season. "This franchise thing is really a cash cow." "Who's the guy in the suit". "My program says his name is Flip Saunders". "Hmmmmm.......nice Suit" "Those guys playing are really tall" "Amir........an interesting name"..........

buddahfan · #56 (**permalink**) 01-05-2008, 10:53 AM

AJ is not ready yet.

He has to add about 15 lbs of muscle before next fall and keep working on his defense. The problem is, is that he just keeps growing so his muscular development can't catch up to the growth in his height. LOL

He also needs to play in the 2008 summer league and pre-season games.

Ernie the Slow Adult · #57 (**permalink**) 01-05-2008, 11:09 AM

I think Flip knew he could play his bigs a little more and go with a shorter rotation because BOS was playing Memphis. Garnett and Perkins are going to be tired from going against Darko. He helped hold them to 10-15 shooting last night.

I don't know if my eyes are lying to me, but I do not think that AJ is 6'11". If he was I think he would play more.

buddahfan · #58 (**permalink**) 01-05-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ernie the Slow Adult

I think Flip knew he could play his bigs a little more and go with a shorter rotation because BOS was playing Memphis. Garnett and Perkins are going to be tired from going against Darko. He helped hold them to 10-15 shooting last night.

I don't know if my eyes are lying to me, but I do not think that AJ is 6'11". If he was I think he would play more.

I will still rely on AK opinion as to the height of our player's

The problem that most people make in looking at AJ's height is that they think that Sheed is 6'11" when in fact he is at least 7'

Ernie the Slow Adult · #59 (**permalink**) 01-05-2008, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by buddahfan

I will still rely on AK opinion as to the height of our player's

The problem that most people make in looking at AJ's height is that they think that Sheed is 6'11" when in fact he is at least 7'

I hear you, it is not like I think they're lying. I'm not measuring him against Sheed. They're not on the floor together that often. He seems significantly shorter to me than most players they list at 6'11".

roscoe36 · #60 (**permalink**) 01-05-2008, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by adonis

Where did you find that quote budda? i could find it where alexa said CB did not do much. Can you guys change your quotes after already submitting them?

I think alexa edited his/her post after Buddha had quoted it.

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Originally Posted by Dlev59

That`s it.

Even if we win the championship, if Flip doesn`t give AJ some PT, he should be fired!!

I will make me a sign and protest at every Piston game I can.

Anybody with me??

Sure. It will give us something to do from the loony bin!

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Originally Posted by buddahfan

AJ is not ready yet.

Thank you.