I saw him get the ball, start to shoot up court, then it looked like something clicked. He pulled a Chauncey, put his hand up to slow it down, and got or tried to get into some odd set. He definitely isn't being used to his strengths. That could be said about a majority of the players on this team.

Every team needs somebody who can do it well with that ability. Our new guys try with limited success, but they are still learning. Get a vet who has the ability...I hate to lose Tay or Rip, but we can get more for them than Old Spidice

Come May a lousy loss in January will long be forgotten. I always just wonder how an elite team like the Pistons can keep their motivation up to beat the bottom feeder teams. Tonight a D-League team would have given Detroit a run for their money.

Flip is in a rut and he's just got to rearrange his team just a bit to get the best out of his players. Why is Sheed unhappy now? We live and die by Rasheed and his many moods so it pays to keep him happy if he's the horse we're riding. If Walter Herrmann is getting on his nerves than time to find a new home for Fabio, lots of teams would like him so package him with Flip Jr. and get a decent bench player.

It's certainly not a time to panic, other than Boston there's not a team out there that's clicking the way the Pistons are. Is it time to put Rip on the second unit and let Stuckey start? Would Rip throw a hissy fit and start sulking or would he see it as an opportunity to be the number one option anchoring the second unit.

The only player I'm worried about is Tay, he just has been so consistent and steady and now he's playing in a slump which is very unusual for him. He's got that consecutive streak going and maybe he's hurt and not letting on just to keep his streak going.

And he called Jarvis one of our primary scorers

Now you want to blow things up? They didn't look too bad 3 nights ago in one of their two best wins of the season, as we discussed at length in more than one thread. As disgraceful as tonight was, I don't see why it points to the need to trade someone. What trade will help you when 7 of your 9 primary rotation players are flat-out mailing it in for the night? Packaging Brezec, Herrmann, and Flip Jr. for the ghosts of Earl Monroe and Dave Bing?

What he said is totally BS. In fact knee high boots could protect you.

In the words of Jack Nicholson, "Somethings Got To Give" I'm in favor of adding something here, because if the half of the players continue to mail it in, and the 7 thru 9 players are playing inconistent then the 1-6 guys will be burned out by April...

How about adding a real coach who coaches to players' strengths?

Do we fire Flip and promote from within, or get a Laimbeer, Fratello, Collins, Van Gundy, Skiles or bring back Brown or old man Daly? I know we are over reacting here, but I am giving you the authority to set up a poll.

At least the bench played, we all got to see the bench guys.

2 back-back sets in 5 days from Detroit to Texas and then Charlotte to NewYork. Do you all think fatigue could have something to do with it? Maybe if the team was younger or did not have to travel so far off an OT game. I don't know.

Lets see how they respond on the 2 game homestand before blowing any alarms.

The Bench played and they sucked as well so I don't know.