wow.... just wow.....

So even though Vick will plead quilty to what he did there is already not just the average joe saying he's innocent but a group as big as the naacp is basically trying to say he's innocent.

what ever happened to taking responsiblity and moving on and not having a million and one people making excuses for you. Should Vick be able to play again yep, but as a GM I wouldn't touch him.... 1. he has shown bad char traits that i don't want on my team 2. he has yet to show to me I would want him at QB on my team even if the last 6 months haddened happened

NAACP urges NFL to let Vick play again - Yahoo! News

White said the Atlanta chapter supports Vick's decision to accept a plea bargain if it's in his best interest, but he questioned the credibility of Vick's co-defendants, saying an admission of guilt might be more about cutting losses than the truth.

"At this point, you're not looking at guilt or innocence," White said, referring to the possible harsher sentence Vick could have received had he taken his case to trial and been found guilty. "You're thinking, 'What I better do is cut my losses and take a plea.' But if he saw this as the best thing to do at this point for his future, then I think he made the correct choice."

Yesterday when I was at work, I was helping a guy find some information about hunting In Montana. Pronghorn Antelope and Mule Deer. I'm not a hunter so I don't get the whole killing animals for sport thing.

Anyway he ends up bringing in this stuffed deer head from some lucky animal he had shot last fall. Hunting is big around here so I showed appropriate appreciation for his trophy and then he went on his way.

The I started thinking about this Michael Vick situation. Why is it perfectly OK to kill some types of animals, cut off their heads, stuff them etc....but you go to jail if you have dog fights. I guess you could say because they eat the deer? Well the guy isn't going all the way to Montana because he's hungry. The sport is the killing.

Maybe if Vick ate dog meat this would all be OK...or maybe it's because dogs are a sacred animal in American culture. And there is undoubtedly an element of racial bias in this whole thing.

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Hunting usually doesn't involve torture.

Or illegal gambling.

Or staging bloodsport events where the deer/moose/etc hit/bite/scratch/maim each other to death while people stand around cheering and enriching themselves off of other creatures' pain.

As an aside, though, I think game-hunting for entertainment is a pretty lowly activity to engage in. Anyone ever read "The Most Dangerous Game"? It's a short story by Richard Connell. Should be required reading for game hunters.

I'm not sure the line is as clear as that. I don't think dog fighting should be legal or that there is anything good about it. I just think people are piling on Vick like he's Charles Manson or something. Take a look at some of the other things we do (like killing animals for sport) and I don't think he's too far off mainstream America.

edit: I remember reading The Most Dangerous Game...that's a good one.

No gambling involved in hunting?? Are you that naive?

People hunt without gambling.

But isn't betting intrinsic to the dog fighting experience?

Maybe where you are, people hunt and gamble. My family and their hunting friends up until recently hunted several times a year for the last decade, and it was never about gambling. We're talking about a pretty big community of hunters in my personal example.

When your name is DirtyMoney, there is gambling in everything.

By the way, Vick isn't in trouble for being mean to dogs, he's in trouble for the wire fraud and conspiracy.