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max · #51 (**permalink**) 12-13-2007, 08:53 PM

This Vick thing is shocking beyond belief. It would get the same attention no matter the ethnic background involved. High profile althlete not only running an illegal gambling ring but chopping up Dogs in his backyard. In some cultures that would be acceptable - this is not one of them. Dogs are highly respected, almost sacred animals here.

TheeTFD · #52 (**permalink**) 12-17-2007, 09:33 PM

He would've gotten only 18 mos. if he didn't bauk about everything. He never came clean. And he was spleafing. [smokin' pot]

The Low · #53 (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 01:23 PM

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It is true to some degree. OJ aside, with the exception of maybe Pete Rose, most high profile Whites that get into trouble often have their escapades laughed off or forgotten about relatively quickly. But with individuals like Bonds and/or Vick, the general American public latches on and doesn't let go. No one has seen or heard from Dohnaghy and his scandal since the week Vick's story broke and if you bother to bring it up, you're quickly shushed into going back to the Vick story.

As far as public perception, media coverage, and complete voracity that prosecutors seem to have. The high profile Blacks have a lot more to worry about when it pertains to how their lives can turn out. If people vow to never forget or forgive you for what you've done, you may never get a second chance to do ANYTHING (even outside of sports) ever again.

Just listening to sports talk radio, I hear it all day. The overall anger and resentment towards Black athletes who have legal or personality issues is 5 fold that of what callers call in and rant about when it comes to a lot of non-Black athletes. (For example: You never hear terms like "thug" or "punk" tossed about unless it has to do with Black athletes.)

Seems the trend continues. Marion Jones just got 6 months in the clink. While baseball's offenders were simply allowed to "open the discussion" with no punishments handed out.

Oh, and Tiger Woods should be lynched (but, it's no big deal).

mikhail1973 · #54 (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 01:24 PM

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Seems the trend continues. Marion Jones just got 6 months in the clink. While baseball's offenders were simply allowed to "open the discussion" with no punishments handed out.

From what I understand Marion got term for lying to investigators, not for using the steroids.

The Low · #55 (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 01:25 PM

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From what I understand Marion got term for lying to investigators, not for using the steroids.

Exactly. Bonds wasn't the only one questioned by investigators (and/or allegedly lied), but he's the only one being prosecuted.

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She was severely punished by her sport. Baseball has done exactly the opposite.

Dumars4Ever · #56 (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 01:32 PM

Track and field has had severe repercussions in place for many years now for steroid users, but baseball didn't have ANY policy about it until just a few years ago, so I don't think the lack of retroactive punishments in baseball can really be compared to track and field.

As far as lying to investigators, it'll certainly be interesting to see what happens with Clemens. It seems extremely likely that the whole thing with him vs. his trainer will end up with one or the other being totally discredited for lying in a huge way, and quite possibly under oath, so let's see how that one plays out.

mikhail1973 · #57 (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 01:33 PM

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Exactly. Bonds wasn't the only one questioned by investigators (and/or allegedly lied), but he's the only one being prosecuted.

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She was severely punished by her sport. Baseball has done exactly the opposite.

I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that track and field has been fighting doping for a long time, and there were checks and balances in place even before MLB even started talking about it. In MLB taking steroids, at least until recently, wasn't considered as bad and wasn't in the center of attention.

Nemo · #58 (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 08:47 PM

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Seems the trend continues. Marion Jones just got 6 months in the clink. While baseball's offenders were simply allowed to "open the discussion" with no punishments handed out.

Oh, and Tiger Woods should be lynched (but, it's no big deal).

The comment by the golf channel lady was very inappropriate. Knowing the history of lynchings and how they were a common practice for so long signifies how very few people really know the history of our country. With many journalists both black and white supporting this lady, I feel comfortable stating that she's not a racist........just ignorant.
Her two week suspension was a fair punishment, based on her quick apology........

I was hoping that Marion would get a suspended sentence. Not sure of the chronology of events in her situation, but she seemed heartfully sorry for what she did..............

buddahfan · #59 (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 09:22 PM

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Seems the trend continues. Marion Jones just got 6 months in the clink. While baseball's offenders were simply allowed to "open the discussion" with no punishments handed out.

Oh, and Tiger Woods should be lynched (but, it's no big deal).

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But her plea deals were triggered not by her lying about drug use but by her involvement in the bank-fraud scheme. Prosecutors for the United States attorneys office in the Southern District of New York have said they had ample evidence, including her signature on the $25,000 check and the testimony of other defendants in the case, many of whom have already pleaded guilty.

The strength of the government’s evidence in that case was used to persuade Jones to plead guilty to the false statements to federal prosecutors in the Northern District of California, which has been leading the investigation of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative for the past five years.

It appears to me that her attorney worked a good deal for her by getting Jones to plead guilty to the high profile crime of illegal steroid use. By doing this she was able to get a considerable reduction in time for her involvement in a bank-fraud scheme, which is federal crime.

Marion Jones Sentenced to Six Months in Prison - New York Times

LA Dre · #60 (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 09:29 PM

It still just bothers me why people have to go to jail for lying about using something that is technically not illegal, but maybe banned.

Yeah it is cheating in trying get an advantage, but there must be something contractually written that indicates that if you cheat, then you are fired or fined (give moneys, trophys back etc.) But going to the pokey when folks are out there killing people and living free???

No one wants to admit that they cheated, but if the goverment gets involved in the questioning, then you better spill the beans (Mr. Clemens) or you are going to jail