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Dumars4Ever · #41 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ernie the Slow Adult

I think the criticisms of Flip is that he always went back to the starters regardless of if the bench played well. Yes, AJ and Max did well last night. To me though, Flip leaves people out who are going well for too long like it will never end. They can all play.

Well, I still can't quite figure out how your complaint applies to last night's game. Flip left AJ and Max on the floor for (I think) most of the 4th quarter, and definitely the entire stretch run of the game. And yes, it did end: when the final buzzer sounded and the Pistons won, thanks in large part to crucial plays by both of those guys in crunch time. You don't think that was a case of leaving people out there who are going well for too long...do you?

st8ofmind · #42 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 01:50 PM

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Why live in the far distant past? If we were going back to the most recent playoffs we would have to put Tay in the background with his arms over his head....running away.

Then and only then would we be summing up that matchup truthfully.

YouTube - Tayshaun Prince 360 by LeBron and then Dunk

CloudWalker · #43 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 02:01 PM

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I guess Mark Jackson was a horrible PG then... Magic did that quite a bit as well

They never did it because they were subpar ballhandlers. Tayshaun is doing it because he is. This assessment came straight from the mouth of Larry Brown.

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Getting fairly irate with you at this point.

Don't make it personal then. Worry about my posts, not me.

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Is that just as much because C$ is slower than most PG's just as Tay is slower and less athletic than most of the uber athletic SF's in the league... and if you have one iota of strength you can body ~~Rip~~Tayshaun off you and get to the rack at will? and Prince is Ronnie Coleman? He isn't as strong for his position as Chauncey or as quick as Rip. If anything he is the bastardized epitome of both of their greatest weaknesses. Thats just a horrible, horrible point to try to make for Prince.

CloudWalker · #44 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 02:04 PM

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YouTube - Tayshaun Prince 360 by LeBron and then Dunk

That mattered so much more than this didn't it?

BillLaimbeer · #45 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dumars4Ever

Well, I still can't quite figure out how your complaint applies to last night's game. Flip left AJ and Max on the floor for (I think) most of the 4th quarter, and definitely the entire stretch run of the game. And yes, it did end: when the final buzzer sounded and the Pistons won, thanks in large part to crucial plays by both of those guys in crunch time. You don't think that was a case of leaving people out there who are going well for too long...do you?

Some people like to complain about Saunders irregardless of what he does.....or should I make that Coach of the Month Saunders....

NBA.com: Detroit’s Saunders, Houston’s Adelman Named Coaches of the Month

Actually, the Flipster has won this award many times. Here are a couple:

PISTONS: Flip Saunders Named NBA Eastern Conference Coach of the Month

PISTONS: Chauncey Billups and Flip Saunders Named Eastern Conference Player and Coach of the Month

PISTONS: Detroit’s Flip Saunders and San Antonio’s Gregg Popovich Named Eastern Conference and Western Conference Coaches of the Month.

PISTONS: Detroit’s Larry Brown and Minnesota’s Flip Saunders Named Eastern and Western Conference Coaches of the Month for April

TIMBERWOLVES: Saunders Named West Coach of the Month for February 2003

TIMBERWOLVES: Saunders Named IBM Coach of the Month for January 2000

Of course this award doesn't mean anything if the team doesn't win the ultimate prize.

Ernie the Slow Adult · #46 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 02:57 PM

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Well, I still can't quite figure out how your complaint applies to last night's game. Flip left AJ and Max on the floor for (I think) most of the 4th quarter, and definitely the entire stretch run of the game. And yes, it did end: when the final buzzer sounded and the Pistons won, thanks in large part to crucial plays by both of those guys in crunch time. You don't think that was a case of leaving people out there who are going well for too long...do you?

No, I don't think he left them out too long. I am definitely not saying that they don't contribute to wins, aren't good or should not be closing out games. I am not talking about this one game. What I am saying about this game is it is the other side of coin in regards to the Utah game. Flip couldn't play AJ then because of reason A, B and C. This game he could only play Maxey and AJ. Why can't they all get consistent burn in a rotation? Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't they keep the starters sharp and fresh while learning the strengths of the team?

TaShawn · #47 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 03:17 PM

Obviously, he's never going to be perfect. I'm just really thankful that all of the guys on the active roster are being used in real game situations. The starters are getting rest, the zoo crew is going bananas, the odd men out are Dixon and Fabio, and they are even contributing at random moments.

st8ofmind · #48 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CloudWalker

They never did it because they were subpar ballhandlers. Tayshaun is doing it because he is. This assessment came straight from the mouth of Larry Brown.

Don't make it personal then. Worry about my posts, not me.

pathetic. turn in your pistons card at the door and watch that screen door on the way out.

and this is from one of the most negative mofo's ever.

Tay struggles with LBJ, a guy that could end up being top 5 all time and has him by at least 40lbs. Very understandable to me. He's done damn good work on Kobe and TMac and DWade in the past, none of those guys are easy covers.

Yeah Rip has all of Tay's limitations, but without the psycho long arms, good leaping ability, giant mitts, and advantage of being a lefty for finishing and blocking shots.

PATHETIC, he sucks on D like Camby and Bowen suck on D.

Dumars4Ever · #49 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ernie the Slow Adult

No, I don't think he left them out too long. I am definitely not saying that they don't contribute to wins, aren't good or should not be closing out games. I am not talking about this one game. What I am saying about this game is it is the other side of coin in regards to the Utah game. Flip couldn't play AJ then because of reason A, B and C. This game he could only play Maxey and AJ. Why can't they all get consistent burn in a rotation? Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't they keep the starters sharp and fresh while learning the strengths of the team?

I think I see what you mean a little better now. But I'd say that from my perspective, the Utah game was far more of a fluke than not, certainly when it comes to Amir's minutes since he first got into the rotation. That's his only DNP in the last 5 or 6 weeks, isn't it? He's gotten decent playing time in pretty much every other game since he first got into the rotation just before the all-star break.

Since late January or so, by and large, I think Flip has been very good about giving everyone PT and managing the starters' minutes vs the bench in a way that very closely mirrors what we all want--Amir's DNP in the Utah game was the one really glaring exception.

TaShawn · #50 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 03:46 PM

Here's my question. Has Flip given Amir any minutes this year...

Or has Amir taken them?