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As I mentioned before, my wife and I made it to this game and we had a great time, even though the Pistons lost. We were six rows behind the Detroit bench, so that we were part of the normal in-game broadcast on ESPN. When we got home we FF'd through the broadcast and you could actually see us (her, mostly) at one point in the 3rd quarter when Devin Brown was called for an offensive foul for clearing out with his forearm. The camera switched to a Cavs fan reacting to the call and we are the fans in Pistons shirts behind him and to the left.
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I saw you. Who was that idiot Cavs fan who thought that wasn't a D-Brown push-off?
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As I mentioned before, my wife and I made it to this game and we had a great time, even though the Pistons lost. We were six rows behind the Detroit bench, so that we were part of the normal in-game broadcast on ESPN. When we got home we FF'd through the broadcast and you could actually see us (her, mostly) at one point in the 3rd quarter when Devin Brown was called for an offensive foul for clearing out with his forearm. The camera switched to a Cavs fan reacting to the call and we are the fans in Pistons shirts behind him and to the left.

Just some quick observations from the game, without looking to the box score:

-IMO from the body language of both teams this was just a regular season game, nothing more.

-The Pistons started out strong, and were right around 50 fg% with just a couple minutes to go in the 2nd quarter when things started to go badly. They tried to feed Sheed in the post several times but he just wasn't hitting them.

-Ratliff was the first one in off the bench if I recall correctly, and he had an immediate impact in the first half. In the second half not so much.

-I was really excited to see Amir come in the game, but he made no impact on the game from my viewpoint. In fairness he didn't play much.

-Z and Dice seem very similar in that they both want to shoot that perimeter J. Only difference last night was that Z was dead-accurate with it. However, Dice played some nice D (especially a stretch early in the 3rd) and pulled down several boards.

-It seems like the Pistons should just shut the Cavs down when they put Sideshow Bob and Big Ben on the floor together, but Sideshow killed us on the offensive glass and cheap put-backs. Gotta box that guy out...

-The Cavs fans have embraced Big Ben. He got the second-loudest cheer during the introductions and loud cheers whenever he checked in. I even saw a Cavs fan with a "Fear the Fro" Cavs shirt - did they acquire the rights to that slogan along with Ben's contract?

-I liked when they tried to make LBJ play D on Tay, and Tay was able to back him into the paint quite easily, but they didn't try it much.

-Way too many 3 attempts, especially in the second half. In contrast, it didn't seem like the Cavs attempted more than 6 3s the whole game.

-To me it appeared that Flip was still experimenting with different groups out there. I remember at one point near mid-4th quarter I counted 3 bench guys on the floor, and Billups didn't come back in until 5 minutes were left. At around the 7 minute mark there was a stoppage in play and Billups started to get up from his seat and looked to Flip, but never got the signal and sat back down.

-I had 3 different Cavs fans ask me who was the guy in the suit with the ponytail. One of them was an older lady and she said "he looks like Fabio!"

-Sheed is fun to watch both in- and out-of-game. Near the start of the 2nd half he took of his warm-up shirt out on the court and tossed it up in the air towards the Piston bench. It hung in the air for a second and then fell down on Tay's head. As Tay pulled it away Sheed made a pouty-baby type face at him and laughed.
Great recap! Glad you had a great time.
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Re: At Cleveland March 19th, 8:00 PM

Couple of other observations...

- Prince couldn't get around LBJ like he has been getting around other defenders lately. Couple of times early he tried to drive and ended up shooting four or five feet further out than usual, and missing.

- Ben still has some serious one-on-one moxie left in him. He kept Sheed off balance all night and by and large completely took his post game away. Nobody had to try and double and all the Pistons' shooters stayed covered. Maybe Sheed was having one of his lackadaisical nights, maybe Ben just made it look that way.
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Re: At Cleveland March 19th, 8:00 PM

Sheed is a little bit like the bully who backs down when he's confronted. He'll talk all day long when he's beating up on a weak defender, but when someone like Ben stands up to him, it's 3-point city.
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Re: At Cleveland March 19th, 8:00 PM

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Sheed is a little bit like the bully who backs down when he's confronted. He'll talk all day long when he's beating up on a weak defender, but when someone like Ben stands up to him, it's 3-point city.
You must remember, those two have faced each other in practice several times I`m sure. I would say Ben knows Sheed probably better than any other defender in the league, giving him an advantage.

However, Sheed is talented enough where I don`t think Ben would actually shut him down. Slow him down perhaps.

That would be a nice matchup in the playoffs, stay tuned!!!!!!
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Sheed is a little bit like the bully who backs down when he's confronted. He'll talk all day long when he's beating up on a weak defender, but when someone like Ben stands up to him, it's 3-point city.
He does enjoy beating up weak defenders, but still, it isn't all that often you see him just taken out of the post game by someone other than himself. When the game turned last night in the last half of the second, he was 1-4 inside the arc and 0-2 outside, and my recollection is that Ben had a lot to do with that.

Of course, Sheed's 1-6 exactly matched the rest of the team's shooting so there is some blame to go around.
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Re: At Cleveland March 19th, 8:00 PM

Billups talked about how the team got static and settled for jumpers as the problem. If that is so easy to recognize why don't they do something about it? That is what kills us in nearly every loss and in the playoffs. Shouldn't they have a plan ready when they see this happening? When something is clearly going wrong, why wouldn't they change it.
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Re: At Cleveland March 19th, 8:00 PM

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I saw you. Who was that idiot Cavs fan who thought that wasn't a D-Brown push-off?
He pushed off on Sheed, right? Anyway Sheed or whoever was being pushed off was between us and D-Brown so that you couldn't see what happened until they showed the replay.

It was funny though because even after the replay there was a buncha whinin' all around us and I was demonstrating out loud how he was clearing out with his arm, and all the while my wife was shooshing me for fear of the Cavs fans turning on me. I said I didn't care, I had the rulebook on my side.

That guy and his wife actually talked to us for a few minutes after the game and we had a decent discussion about the current playoff seeding and how Detroit was in a good spot right now. They even wished my wife a happy birthday. All in all my experience as a fan of the opposing team was pretty positive - though this was a regular season game.
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Billups talked about how the team got static and settled for jumpers as the problem. If that is so easy to recognize why don't they do something about it? That is what kills us in nearly every loss and in the playoffs. Shouldn't they have a plan ready when they see this happening? When something is clearly going wrong, why wouldn't they change it.
Billups phrases it like it was something the Pistons were doing rather than something that was being done to them. Did they "get static" or did the Cavs not let them run free and make cuts, shut off penetration, etc.?
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Re: At Cleveland March 19th, 8:00 PM

It was interesting in the pre-game when they asked Ben how do you beat the Pistons. He said there are two specific keys:

1. Do not let Rip going early.

2. Attack Sheed. Make him use energy defensively.
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