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Originally Posted by Dlev59 I couldn`t disagree more. We do spread the floor, however, it is puzzling to me ...

 
 
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Old 03-25-2008, 02:44 PM
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Re: Phoenix March 24 7:30PM

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I couldn`t disagree more.

We do spread the floor, however, it is puzzling to me why we do. Usually, teams spread the floor to create driving lanes to the hoop, we spread the floor to launch jumpers. CB is not the quickest PG in the league, but he can use his strength and intelligence to get to the hoop, at will IMO.

The Pistons usually have three players at the three point line at all times, if not there, at least 15-17 feet from the basket.

I do agree our offense is different with Rip. I am really feeling bringing Rip or Tay off the bench, however, I know that will never happen.
We spread the floor when Rip is not in but when he is in the game; we run a double screen at the high post or low block. Both Tay and Rip startin the lane. Zero driving lanes to the hoop. Now once Rip comes of the screens; Tay goes the other way. At that point either Dice or Sheed drops to the post on Rips side to screen or post up.

Once he gives it up to Rip; he never sees it again unless the shot clock is running out.
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Old 03-25-2008, 02:46 PM
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Re: Phoenix March 24 7:30PM

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We spread the floor when Rip is not in but when he is in the game; we run a double screen at the high post or low block. Both Tay and Rip startin the lane. Zero driving lanes to the hoop. Now once Rip comes of the screens; Tay goes the other way. At that point either Dice or Sheed drops to the post on Rips side to screen or post up.

Once he gives it up to Rip; he never sees it again unless the shot clock is running out.
Ok, however, that double screen is not run on every possession!
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Re: Phoenix March 24 7:30PM

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Stuckey has been a really nice story so far. Flip has been incredibly consistent with his minutes. Stuck started off a little rough, but had flashes of brilliance. Since then, he seems to have grown a lot more comfortable handling the ball, he's mixing up the jump shots and the drives more, and he has figured out how to play active defense without picking up touchy fouls.

That's how you develop a rook.
I give him credit for leaving Stuck out there. Now if we could only get him to do that with the other rookies.
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Old 03-25-2008, 02:56 PM
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The 1st big who was showing on the screen-roll was not getting back in time to cover the 2nd bigs guy (after he rotated). Usually the defense works, but when the 1st big is slow or the PG is as good as Nash it doesn't work and looks horrible. I like this strategy better than just a medium / no show on the screen. Max does it great.
I mentioned last game that i didn't know if our p-n-r defense was just technically wrong or the bigs Flip chooses to play are slow. I guess its the 2nd which begs the question should we be playing it differently when we have specific players in the game?

Is there another effective strategy?

I haven't watched the game, but i can only imagine it's similar to the WAS defense.
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Old 03-25-2008, 03:43 PM
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Re: Phoenix March 24 7:30PM

The best way is to have a guard that can get around screens. We have 1.5: AA and LH. Both don't play much though. Stuckey's getting better. This way the bigs can stay at home and not get caught out of position.
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Old 03-25-2008, 04:57 PM
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Re: Phoenix March 24 7:30PM

Great game, great win, against an opponent on fire of late. And we did it minus one of our stars, with Rip being out with some kind of hip problem.


For the record, we are now 30-4 when Afflalo gets 11 or more minutes. (In all cases, he got at least 6 minutes in the first half, so this record is not due to us winning by wide margins and Afflalo getting those minutes from garbage time. He started this one, and got praise for consistently keeping Nash out of the lane. And yes, he did seem nervous on those two long jumpers he took. Both came up short and the shots were flat. But hey, let him shoot some more. That is not like him. He did nail a shot after driving into the lane (foul line extended.) He did twice convert a turn into a bucket by driving aggressively to the rack against traffic. No, he does not seem to be offensively challenged at all. He has some height and knows how to use it to score at the hoop.


Billups got a ton of rest, despite Rip not playing. Someone mentioned that Hunter was plus 5 in his nine minutes. Hunter did nail that triple for us. He also alertly picked up a ball someone else knocked away for a steal.


So what did Billups do with the rest? He was the scoring hero for us at the end of regulation and thru the whole OT. Great stuff. Driving and getting to the line, hitting shots. Not to mention he took over the chore of guarding Nash toward the end of the game too.


Sheed made 5 triples, scored inside some, and hit a tough, fairly long ranged forced shot over Stoudemire in OT. Then he stuffed Stoudemire and took the ball down. Wow.


Stuckey had his shot going tonight. He had limited success driving in. I think he made a total of 3 free throws. (But maybe only 1? Yes, I watch too much film. Sometimes its hard to separate what I watched earlier from the game I just watched.) Anyway, Stuckey had it going from the outside. Phoenix kept leaving him open, and he kept nailing the shots. He was rewarded with all the time down the stretch and into OT. Anyone notice it was Stuckey who got that key strip from Shaq? Maybe it was a foul, but it was not called. Stuckey did not score late. Phoenix started guarding him. Stuckey did take one forced shot over Nash, trying to stretch out his game a bit. Nothing wrong with that.


Dyess was certainly needed tonight, for his strength in guarding Shaq. He also hit some shots, and two clutch free throws to help send it to OT.


Tay, well, he had his hands full guarding Hill. That is plenty to do these days as Hill really has his game going.


Hayes. Not much to say about him. He got some minutes. The team did well with him in the game.


Theo made a couple of dribble moves to the rack and looked good doing so. One ended up with a hook off glass from in front of the basket. (driving from the right.) One ended up with him at the line making free throws. Theo also had some blocks, and basically was quite helpful guarding Shaq. Not to mention the rest he gives both Sheed and Dyess and the fouls he has to give. Quite a good pickup when you consider Phoenix just might come out of the West.


JMAX and Amir both played. I can't remember much from Maxiell. I do remember Amir getting a rebound over Stoudemire and then laying it in over him. Nice. I also continue to see a trend where Amir is used to guard small forwards. Tonight it was Hill.


And in a huge improvement in Flip's coaching, he took Dyess out early in the first quarter. Part of a great night of playing the bench well. Pretty much getting everything right. (Of course, I would not play Hayes.)
That was one highly entertaining game. I heard Philly beat Boston too. Sweet.


GO PISTONS!!!!!
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Old 03-25-2008, 05:00 PM
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Re: Phoenix March 24 7:30PM

It is really strange playing against Shaq and having him be such a non-factor.
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Re: Phoenix March 24 7:30PM

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Billups got a ton of rest, despite Rip not playing. Someone mentioned that Hunter was plus 5 in his nine minutes. Hunter did nail that triple for us. He also alertly picked up a ball someone else knocked away for a steal.

So what did Billups do with the rest? He was the scoring hero for us at the end of regulation and thru the whole OT. Great stuff. Driving and getting to the line, hitting shots. Not to mention he took over the chore of guarding Nash toward the end of the game too.
Actually, the boxscore says that CB played 45 minutes total. That includes all 5 minutes of the OT, which means he still played 40 minutes in regulation. I'm a little surprised by that number, so I guess it corresponds to CB only getting rest (8 minutes worth for the game) whenever Lindsey was on the floor (9 1/2 minutes). I remember Lindsey mostly being paired with Stuckey, who played 30 minutes (including all 5 in OT). AA played 21, none of them in OT.
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Old 03-25-2008, 05:11 PM
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Re: Phoenix March 24 7:30PM

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It is really strange playing against Shaq and having him be such a non-factor.
I saw some suns games during their winning streak and, oh my, shaq dominated there(usually 15pt, 10 rbs). So credit to trio Dice-Sheed-Rattliff, they really didn't let cactus to take position under basket or, denied him from ball(some were stolen).
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Old 03-25-2008, 05:13 PM
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Re: Phoenix March 24 7:30PM

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It is really strange playing against Shaq and having him be such a non-factor.
He's been a non-factor for a while, but it is indeed strange. He's not getting the calls anymore, his shot is inconsistent, and he doesn't seem to have the strength to bully his way to the basket.
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