Well Micro...there's no one else here that really says Wade is a better player than Lebron, they're just stating that Wade has accomplished more and isn't as far off in his ability as I stated earlier.

But again, in almost every one of my post I keep saying:

*shrug* I'm moving on from that topic now. There's nothing that can really change my mind about Wade now because I've seen the kid do almost everything but win the big one. In my mind, he is and always will be a great player BUT - well, you know what I'm leaning towards. I won't say it again.

As for Boozer - being the focus of the offense and only raising your points per game up 2? Losing your defensive side with the ever slight slide in rebounds, blocks and steals? The increase in turnovers? Not a successful switch in my opinion. Blah I hate talking about stats though. Boozer was the talk of the free agency town when he was out there, now he's a dudd.

And I still think the 2003-2004 Heat roster was filled with talented guys, they just needed the right guy to set them off. You agree with this - then you state that Lebron had that one big Iggy all-star center?

Sorry I'd rather take the whole 2003-2004 Heat roster over Iggy by himself.

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I guess this is going to be one of those classic agree to disagree discussions.

Just to summarize my position:

1. It is hard for me to say that Lebron is head and shoulders above Wade when while both were surrounded by inconsistent talent (every player to surround those players with the exception of Illgauskas has followed up with an inferior performance the following season), Wade was the only one of the rookies who can boast that he successfully brought his team to the playoffs, won a playoff series, and took the team with the best regular season record at the time to 6 games.
2. Playoffs! Playoffs! Playoffs! The playoffs in my opinion are the official yardstick for grading excellence as the stakes are higher, the intensity of the teams are elevated, and weaknesses in a budding all-star's games are exposed. If I had a dollar for everytime the world was high on a player just to tear his game apart after a playoff series, I'd be a rich man.
3. Both players have had remarkable seasons. Wade and James are statistically very close. On defense, James steals jumps out in front of you..but Wade's blocks jump out in front of you as well. I still say that defensive categories don't always tell the story. Bruce Bowen's stats don't jump at you...and Ben's stats don't tell the complete story. Having watched Lebron I have not seen him take over defensively to control a game yet...like an MJ used to do for instance. I have seen Wade however take control of a game defensively in the playoffs... Just my observation.
4. Greatness, in my opinion, is when talent and hard work come together consistently to breed success when the opportunity presents itself. By that definition, Lebron is short opportunity.
5. I still concede that James is more athletically gifted than Wade. His potential is astronomical. But based on Wade's accomplishments thus far...Wade is already on the path to greatness....and Lebron still has ALOT to prove. (regardless of what the NBA hype machine has reported) If Lebron, does not make/have success in the playoffs that makes HIM more like a Francis, McGrady in my opinion.

By the way, its important to mention that I've enjoyed this exchange with you. You do an excellent job of building your case although in the end I still disagree with your conclusions.

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Hey I never take anything personally

Definately a good debate and good arguments on both sides for sure.

Funny little discussion y'all have going on here. But I have to say this.......Trade Wade for James str8 up and you get similiar results with both franchises. As rookies I think LeBron would have taken that Miami team just as far as Wade did, no matter what Mia was not beating Indy. I do think that Lebron on last years Mia team, walks home with a ring. No way to prove it's all just opinion.

Best part of all this is that we are fortunate to watch 2 young, gifted, humble players, that respect the game, and carry themselves well on and off the court develop and compete for the next few years. Add Amare and Dwight Howard to that mix and the NBA is A-OK 2Me.

Amare is a bit of a pompeous-egotistical ass from what I hear.

But so am I sometimes

i have absolutely nothing to contribute to this discussion except that there's no A in definitely, and when say most <format of dominate>, you use dominant, not dominate.

har!! sorry it's friday i couldn't think of anything else except to be an ass

Queens English. Cut a brother some slack.

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sorry my sis teaches english and it wears off

on-topic, i think lebron is better than wade...or something.

You'll get along great with jdmiser and detteam. They are the English language "elite".

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