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Old 11-24-2006, 02:08 PM
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Dare we dream? The Heat missing the playoffs?

ESPN's John Hollinger thinks they're in bigger trouble than almost anyone else does:

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Yes, Miami is in trouble.

That in itself doesn't really qualify as news. With Shaquille O'Neal out several weeks and the Heat off to a 4-5 start, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the first half of the season could be bumpy.

What might be newsworthy, however, is the extent of the trouble. I get the impression most view the Heat's troubles as a temporary thing -- they'll have a rocky first half, get better in the second half and still easily win the SouthLeast Division. To these folks, the trouble is that Miami might get a poor playoff seed that will prove costly in the postseason.

But the trouble is much more severe than that. Although Miami's 4-5 record appears quasi-respectable, it disguises a much uglier reality.
That's the beginning of the article--the full thing is only available to ESPN Insiders. I'll quote a bit more from it below. Also note that the Heat are 4-7 at the time I'm posting this; they've been blown out on the road by the Hornets and the Spurs since Hollinger's article was posted.

Hollinger points out that the Heat have already been blown out three times at home, "including a 24-point pounding by the Knicks that will provide about 75 percent of the material for New York's postseason highlight video." They're last in the league both in scoring and in point differential. Hollinger slams Riles for not making any moves in the off-season:

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Miami finds itself in the incredible position of being defending world champion but having an absolute dog of a roster. Besides Wade, Udonis Haslem has been the only reasonably solid player. Everyone else has been terrible...those are the only two Heat players with a player efficiency rating above the league average. Jason Williams is the only other player to come close, and he's played only two games...

This makes perfect sense if you look at the roster. Mourning is 36 and Gary Payton is 38; both are shadows of their former selves. "Zo, like Payton, has been asked to do more than we hired him to do," said Riley of his new starting center and starting point guard.

He might have added Antoine Walker to that list too. He's 30 and creaking under the load of having to be the No. 2 scorer, shooting 25 percent on 3-pointers but hoisting more than six a game.

The other guys are struggling too. Playoff hero James Posey has a calf problem, and has been bad enough that Jason Kapono and Dorell Wright are cutting into his playing time. Of course, with all three shooting under 35 percent, it hardly matters who Riley sends out. And Jason Williams is still getting back into shape after offseason knee surgery -- he seemed to be favoring the leg at times in Saturday's game in Atlanta.
All that plus Shaq's fat-a*$ quite possibly getting even fatter while he sits out with his injury. Hollinger also talks about how Riles doesn't have any other options besides what he's doing, which is "going ugly," slowing the pace down, packing the lane, and hoping that the other team misses enough of their jumpers to allow the Heat to steal their wins late. He points out that they won in Atlanta last week only because the Hawks went 3-24 on threes, with most of them being wide-open. He ends the article by saying:

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Basically, Miami looks to me like Minnesota East, with one great player surrounded by vast fields of mediocrity. I know a lot of readers don't think it's possible for a defending champion to miss the playoffs, especially one with a superstar such as Wade.

But apparently, it is. Because based on what they've shown to date, there's very little chance the Heat will be playing past April 18.
It's hard for me to reach that extreme a conclusion. Their roster does seem to be terrible all of a sudden, but can they really go from winning it all one season to missing the playoffs (in a weak conference, no less) with the exact same bunch of guys? And while Shaq's absence is obviously a big concern for them, he missed 23 games last season as well, but they still finished second in the East at 52-30.

Looking over the history of league champions and their performance in the next season, there have been only two instances when the defending champ actually missed the playoffs the next year: the '99 Bulls and the '70 Celtics. We all remember what had happened with that Bulls roster, and the Celtics that year were in the first season of the post-Bill Russell era. So for a defending champ to bring everyone back and miss the playoffs is literally unprecedented. That's largely why I don't think it's going to happen. But, Hollinger makes a good case for why it might. Let's hope his crystal ball is accurate!

For the contrary view, acknowledging some of the same numbers but still concluding that the Heat are the favorites in the East, see this from Ian Thomsen of CNNSI.

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Old 11-24-2006, 02:15 PM
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Re: Dare we dream? The Heat missing the playoffs?

Dare we dream? LOL. We've got our own troubles bro. The last thing I care about is whether or not the Heat make the playoffs. If we aren't there or if we lose in the first round it won't matter anyhow, will it?
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Old 11-24-2006, 02:19 PM
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Re: Dare we dream? The Heat missing the playoffs?

Yeah, but the Pistons have looked a lot better in the last week or so. Obviously there are still issues, but it's night and day from the shellackings they took at home against the Bucks and on the road against the Warriors. It's very early in the season to be drawing any long-term conclusions, but objectively speaking, the Heat really do look a lot worse right now than we do.
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That would be wonderful not seeing D Wade in the playoffs this year. It would almost guarantee retirement for Shaq, and Riley would perhaps give the coaching duties back to Van Gundy.

I don`t see it happening. Remember this is the EC. You can hover around 500, even dip below and still make the playoffs. The Heat will at least be a 500 team.

Moreover, Stern would change the rules to ensure Wade would play at least one series in the post season.

As great as it sounds, the Heat will make the playoffs but another Ship. no way..........
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From the Thomsen (correction by Dumars4ever) article:
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In the meantime, his teammates will be empowered to fill in for him. The vacuum of Shaq provides Antoine Walker with an opportunity to rise to the position of leadership that he loved during his days in Boston.
This is more than questionable- Wade should be Walker's Paul Pierce who draws attention when taking it to the hoop- and still, Walker plays the worst basketball ever. He doesn't make his shots, doesn't rebound well and even doesn't his his free throws. He has turned into a very mediocre player. Maybe because he was relying on Wade and Shaq to keep things going and get him a ring. He's absolutely inconsistent and unable to take responsibility during a game. I remember, last year, I thought "damn, the heat have a nice roster"- but this season they're the perfect example of how weak your roster can become if you let all your opponents become better while you remain stagnant.
A similar thing happened to us (except that we even didn't keep the roster intact but became weaker!).
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Re: Dare we dream? The Heat missing the playoffs?

Ralphi, that bit you quoted is from the Thomsen article, where he argues that the Heat are still the favorites in the East. Hollinger would presumably agree with your negative outlook on Employee #8.

Maybe Thomsen should take another look at his argument, since it does rely in part on assuming that Toine will successfully take on a leadership role!

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Hollinger also talks about how Riles doesn't have any other options besides what he's doing, which is "going ugly," slowing the pace down, packing the lane, and hoping that the other team misses enough of their jumpers to allow the Heat to steal their wins late.
Wait, is this new? Pat Riley ugly ball beat Flip Saunders jumpshooting ball last time around didn't it? I wouldn't bet against Pat Riley. Either as GM or head coach. I think championship hangover + aging veteran role players and a Pat Riley who may be eager to get back to GMing and rebuilding now that he got them their championship. Besides, he can still make some moves during the season to get some role player support for Wade and Shaq/Zo.

Don't get me wrong. I hate this team. I didn't think I could see anything less aesthetically pleasing basketballwise than the 2004 Laker team and then there was this one. At least that Laker team had Kobe being Kobe. Hollinger acts like "going ugly" is a new concept for this team. I was nauseated that they won the championship against Dallas. However ugly they were, they played some defense that worked against their opponents. And the Pistons certainly were not able to get important stops on them.

Flip Saunders strategy this year:"Shoot better, you guys. If you guys would just listen to me and shoot better, we could beat Miami this year."

I'd still put my money on Riles, if he can get over HIS championship hangover.
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Wait, is this new? Pat Riley ugly ball beat Flip Saunders jumpshooting ball last time around didn't it?

...Hollinger acts like "going ugly" is a new concept for this team. I was nauseated that they won the championship against Dallas. However ugly they were, they played some defense that worked against their opponents.
You're right to some extent, but the Heat's pace this year is way below what it was last year. Their points per game so far is about 10 below their average from last season.

Hollinger got pretty specific about this in his article:

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You remember the team Riley had in 2001-02 and 2002-03? Like the current edition of the Heat, those were plodding, veteran-laden team with guys such as Rod Strickland, Bimbo Coles, LaPhonso Ellis, Anthony Carter and Kendall Gill. Riley brought them in as he tried to squeeze one more playoff year out of his Alonzo Mourning-Eddie Jones nucleus, but found himself glaringly short in the talent department. His solution was to slow the game down to a crawl, bore the opponent to tears and hope to squeeze out a win at the end. Both seasons, the Heat were last in the NBA in pace factor and in the bottom three in offensive efficiency, and they were as unwatchable as any team of the past decade.
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I think when it counts the Heat will be right back in it. Between a healthy, rested Shaq and Wade's amazing free throw shooting ability, I expect they will start putting it together in the second half of the season. Riley knows what he's doing, and the Heat only have to win their division, not the East. I also don't expect that Orlando will end up first in the East either.
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No chance Miami misses the playoffs.

Wade is an elite player. He will make the players around him better. He did it prior to Shaq his rookie season and he will do it again.

Besides, life for the Pistons would never be that easy.
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