Nazz's EFF% comes in at 10 but his 48 avg. would be 25
Darko isn't far behind at 9.5 and 20.
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G-- M-- PT- EFF--------------- EFF48- EFF
20 19.4 6.8 10.2 5.3 .2 0.7 1.15 25.14 10.15

I've been trying to say Battie is the weak link there but apparently he plays decent role. I don't get it.

Lee, Howard is paired up with Battie a lot also. Everyone on the team is due to their cross over rotations. But you're right, Darko may have benefited early from not playing with him earlier in the season.

It is obvious who the studs are in the NBA and you don't need +/- to figure it out. This stat is most useful to find the guys that are contributing in other ways like- setting screens, tipping rebounds, boxing out, avoiding turnovers, giving smart fouls, getting double teamed, playing help D, etc. Also, this stat should only be used comparitively to others on the same team.

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You would think that the great Darko would shine in situations where there is no Dwight Howard on the court to limit his touches and rebounds. So does this mean that if you put Darko in a postiton where he is with an inferior cast of players he won't excel. Seems to me that this is the type of scenario that exposes who the dominant players are. Stick them on the court and see what leader emerges from the bunch. Maybe its just me but I'm partial to the players in the league that do things like score, grab rebounds, get assists, shoot 3's, shoot a high field goal/free throw pct. etc... Just imagine how amazing Darko would be if his block numbers were down too! Then we could celebrate how good his numbers would be if players weren't so intimidated by his shot blocking prowess. With luck, Darko can be the first player to make the allstar team that averages 8 pts, 4 rebounds, and 1 blocked shot a game. A new era in basketball compensation will emerge, one where stats have no bearing on player salaries. Darko, the trend setter!

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Yeah, but what about guys who do The Little Things? Maybe that's the next escape route for the DHOF.

The Chris Wilcox +/- is very surprising. I've made an effort to watch his performances as I have invested in him with several of my fantasy basketball teams. Until just recently, he's been playing disgustingly below the level that earned him a nice sized contract last year.

Anyway, it would be interesting to see what the best +/- combo in the league is.

All you guys do is rip on Darko when I make any point. I'm not saying he's great, I'm just trying to have you look a little deeper into the #s. The standard stats out there only give you a fraction of what is going on in a basketball game.

Baseball was revolutionized when people realized that the standard measurements were distorting the picture. The smart teams started picking up the hidden gems on the cheap.

You can't look at a statistic in isolation. You don't want a guy who scores 50 points a game if he has a 25% FG%. You may not pay as much for a 15 rebounds per game guy if he's stealing your own players rebounds. It goes on and on. You can cut an slice the date in a million ways.

I think that it is significant that when Dale Davis is in the game, the Pistons give up 14 fewer points per 100 possessions and only score 2 less on offense. To me, that suggests that Nazr might be expendable and probably should not start for this team.

Also, despite all Delfino's beautiful form, etc., he is about the least effective player besides Hunter. In other words, his intangibles don't seem to be making up for his lack of tangibles.

It is only because of the exadurated ripping that I feel the need to defend guys like Darko, Kwame Brown, etc., who actually show positive stats in team-related areas. This doesn't mean I think they're going to the Hall of Fame or whatever. If everyone said that Maurice Evans is a joke, I'll probably have to defend him too.

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This bothers me a lot because you try to make a lot of intelligent points and they get drowned out in the endless arguments. It sucks.

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Mo, this might be what you are looking for:

NBA.com: Lenovo +/- Stat=

Notice that you can filter for individual teams as well.

I feel what your saying Tashawn. My only problem is that what you are saying does not support what I see on the court. More often than not my responses reflect a frustration that I am trying to relate. I have a problem with giving accolades to a player who has underachived compared to many other players in the league. Being a fantasy basketball enthusiast for the past 6-7 years, and being a loyal subscriber of NBA League Pass I have had the luxury of viewing alot of talent in the NBA. I've seen so many young players have amazing games that capture my imagination leaving me to wonder what they will mature into. This is why the emphasis on using this statistical analysis to back up an underachieving player in my eyes, bothers me. Biedrins has been ripping the league up this year. His stats and contributions to the game have been off the charts, yet Darko gets the love when we talk about potential. It erks me. He's done nothing to deserve this praise, so I discredit any attempt to justify his inability to perform statistically. I am a results person and I hate the constant excuses. I just wish Darko's game spoke as valiantly as his supporters.

I've given you constant praise for your analysis and ideas. Out of all of the DHOF members, you and lazy appear to be the most openminded. I do appreciate your efforts and I apologize if I've done anything to discourage your research and opinions.

I gotta be honest with you though.

The only person capeable of swaying me away from my Darko opinions...is

Darko.

Show me the money.

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